Session Start: Sat Feb 28 20:20 2004 [20:20] Ok, my clock says we have 10 minutes to go until the start of the chat. [20:20] I am loading the game and setting build queues. [20:20] ok [20:20] ok [20:20] 13 here [20:20] 12 nowq [20:20] *now [20:20] ok [20:21] Ohh! I demand a CC! The DP started 3 minutes early!! :p (j/k) [20:21] 20 minutes by forum time ;) [20:25] Hi Anirvans :) [20:25] Hi CG [20:25] hi [20:25] hi boot [20:25] has the turn started? [20:25] hi CG - congratulations [20:26] Hello all [20:26] hi RM [20:26] hi Rik [20:26] hi anirvans - zorven's just setting build queues [20:26] i'm very important to the demogame [20:26] congratulations Rik [20:27] Berry build queues and micro-managing done. No instructions from Audiac or Interior. [20:27] So, any suggestions are welcome. [20:27] hi Civanator :D [20:27] ° AAHHHH!! A MOD!!!! ° [20:27] Furiey: congrats ? ?? [20:27] :D [20:27] hi Civanator [20:27] did it start yet? [20:28] hey Furiey [20:28] Congratulations on T&T [20:28] I got a new voice-line; watch ! [20:28] ° All be quiet now; Rik has something to say ! ° [20:28] ??? [20:28] lol [20:28] [21:27] did it start yet? [20:28] lol [20:28] Who deoped Rik? [20:28] just done build queues Civanator [20:28] renamed Ravensclaw to Raven's Flight [20:28] My Opp is gone .... [20:28] zorven is doing the queues now [20:29] I am still chat opp for this month. [20:29] :s I didn't change it [20:29] Did you register your nick? [20:29] Boots: ok [20:29] yes I did [20:29] *** BlueStrider has Returned (Been gone 16mins 19secs) [20:29] I only changed passwords... [20:29] you know why ! [20:29] could've been it... [20:30] The Turn Chat has officially started. [20:30] Did you drop your nick? [20:30] Yay! [20:30] CT: yes [20:30] that's why [20:30] Are there any build queue recommendations for the cities in Audiac or Interior? [20:30] ° All be quiet now; Rik has something to say ! ° [20:30] :s [20:30] ° I got the Powwa stick, but it doesn't work! ° [20:30] lol [20:30] .... [20:30] I'll do it manually then [20:30] everyone shut up!! [20:30] There we go [20:30] ... [20:31] even though chanserv said you were aop'ed... [20:31] [21:26:49] -ChanServ- RikMeleet moved to #Turnchat AOP list. [20:31] It lied. :) [20:31] :o [20:31] Ok, no recommendations. Speak up at any time if you do. [20:31] [21:30] ° I got the Powwa stick, but it doesn't work! ° [20:31] moving to Trade....checking poll [20:31] no wonder you're not getting aopped :p [20:32] hehe [20:32] Internal Affairs left no instructions? [20:32] Zorven - How do the instructions look? [20:32] or DZ [20:32] for Audiac [20:32] Rik Meleet, do you want to help me with the poll results? [20:32] CG - good [20:32] yes [20:32] So THAT'S who the governor of Audiac was! :p [20:32] no instructions from Audiac or Internal [20:33] as abstain leads in the polls, doesnt the poll become invalid anyway? [20:33] Hmm... [20:33] And the instructions from Senate are not valid [20:33] so rik can basically decide to do whatever he wants [20:33] tao is now the governor of Audiac [20:33] *** Chieftess doesn't want to see that debate ever again! :p [20:33] Im not sure. but the total amount of "non-abstain" votes is much higher ! [20:33] i'm the deputy of Audiac [20:33] The abstain =/!= no vote debate [20:33] oh, sorry lol [20:33] Sorry Zorven. I really tried. [20:33] Are you not going to use them? [20:33] how are the Senate instructions invalid? [20:33] TM90, basically yes [20:33] Poll wasn't long enough. [20:34] I thought the TC was tomorrow night. [20:34] Again [20:34] *** Ginger_Ale is now known as GA_afk [20:35] zorven: If we are going to follow the poll; it is "1B" and "Hold" [20:35] Still, no governors posted there anyway. [20:35] Thus: Step 1B: Egypt [20:35] We offer: Math + Code of Laws + Literature. [20:35] We get: Polytheism + 242 gold. [20:35] This isn't unusual for the end of the term. [20:35] Step 2: Greece Uncertain of the exact numbers; trade changes due to other trades [20:35] We offer: Math + (if necessary) Polytheism + (if necessary) Literature [20:35] We get: WM + all Greeces gold. [20:35] that's the trades [20:36] Ok, following trades 1B and 2. [20:36] *** Chieftess hopes that Germany does decide to declare war on Russia. Then there'd be 2 potential superpowers on the continent. [20:36] i'll be back later [20:37] Although, based on wonders, Persia and the Zulus might become superpowers. [20:37] BTW what does "abstain" mean in the game ? is it a sort of "I don't care, do whatever you want" ??? [20:37] Persia because they have the Pyramids. [20:37] out settling any other civ. [20:37] abstain could mean "I don't like this poll" [20:37] or "I don't agree with any of these options" [20:37] i voted for abstain because i didnt understand the options clearly. :) [20:38] Or I am uninformed, but I want to be counted. [20:38] :) [20:38] I put in "We won't do trades now." and "Other (Please specify)." [20:38] We traded Math, Code of Laws, and Literatur to Egypt for Polytheism and 242 gold [20:38] Germany is starting to grow in culture, BTW. [20:38] I noticed something...back in DG2, we were far behind where we are now in terms of the year the save is on, and we think this one is going slowly... :p [20:38] meaning, libraries. [20:39] the last turnchat for Term 2 ended at 825 BC [20:39] We trade Math and Polytheism to Greece for WM and 97 gold [20:39] Boots - one exception with DG2... [20:39] We had 16 civs to deal with in the early game due to our location. [20:39] Trade instructions done. [20:39] Here, we only had 4 until recently. [20:39] Foreign intstructions.... [20:39] HUGE difference. [20:40] Babylon's growing in culture now, as usual. [20:40] the poll for embassies passed [20:40] DG2 was the one with the problems of chat stoppage's because we met a new civ every 3 or 4 turns [20:40] true, but you guys still ended turnchats early :p [20:40] will build embassies with Greece and Egypt [20:40] Babylon's growing rapidly in culture [20:40] big surprise there. [20:40] and I don't see the point in stopping the chat when meeting a new civ unless absolutely necessary [20:40] Oh, and zorven - it takes us 12 turns to clear jungle with 1 worker. [20:41] Make sure that workers are in stacks of 2, 4, or 6. [20:41] or 3 [20:41] ok. [20:41] A stack of 5 would be a waste. [20:41] 'bout to say that [20:41] and move that Bab worker elsewhere, alone. :) [20:41] 3 is usefull also (what 4 turns to be completed?) [20:41] yeah [20:41] something that 12 is divisible by [20:41] 12 / 3 = 4 [20:41] 12 / 2 = 6 [20:41] we need to get a good IA minister to watch the culture...I think ravensfire can do it [20:42] Next term where have a culture minister [20:42] we're going to have to watch Mure for flipping [20:42] We need a "Return of the Curufinwe" campaign. ;) [20:42] :) [20:42] (a play on LOTR:ROTK) [20:42] since he likes LOTR [20:42] Espicially on the Babylonian bordor [20:43] zorven: A question: tao based his assumptions on Greece and Egypt trading WM's . Have they ?? [20:43] I must say it would be interesting if we suddenly jump from a council of 4 to a council of 7 ;) [20:43] We *NEED* Curufinwe to fight the Babylonians with culture! [20:43] Don't know [20:43] Are the upgrade plans still in place or is that instruction deemed invalid? [20:44] Music Update: "The River - Bruce Springsteen" [20:44] embassie built, will upload pictures... [20:44] DR has a river. :D [20:44] [03:43] <@RikMeleet> zorven: A question: tao based his assumptions on Greece and Egypt trading WM's . Have they ?? [20:44] a screenie of Egyptian/Greek territory would be useful as well [20:44] I guess we'd find out if we get a world map. [20:45] *** RikMeleet awaiting patiently [20:45] Will Greece be as jungly as us? [20:45] Which, in effects, gaurds them from War Chariots, and increases the defense of hoplites. [20:45] Will Egypt have deserts ... Stay tuned, show will continue after this break ! [20:45] they're on that jungle belt [20:46] I see what looks like forest and grassland by the coast of Egypt [20:46] I bet they are, We seem to have wet settings, thus jungle .... [20:46] I see all black, must be a storm [20:46] But then again; wet = few deserts ... [20:46] We need to name the inner sea, too [20:46] Remember DG1's inner sea? (not the Barb Sea).. [20:47] Which DG was it that had a lake that had a barb galley on it? [20:47] DG1 [20:47] Now his friends are back! [20:47] That was great, one tile lake... couldn't work that tile either [20:48] Oh ywah [20:48] http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/DG4_BC250_Thebes.jpg [20:48] *yeah [20:48] http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/DG4_BC250_Athens.jpg [20:48] We have a barb galley in our inner sea; DG4. [20:48] http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/DG4_BC250_Egypt-Greece.jpg [20:48] ok, Foreign done. [20:48] ty zorven [20:48] Military.... [20:48] [19:44] <+TerminalMan90> Are the upgrade plans still in place or is that instruction deemed invalid? [20:48] only a temple... my games of C3C have spoiled me. ;) [20:48] no - looks like we got the desert [20:48] *** GA_afk is now known as Ginger_Ale [20:49] Hey, Greece's start looks like Apolyton!! [20:49] Stupid Egyptians, settler ready; city size 2 ! [20:49] I will still upgrade the warriors per Sarevoks request [20:49] Someone needs to CC their IA... [20:49] I noticed the settler :) [20:49] why? [20:49] Hey, IA backwards is... AI. ;) [20:50] Music Update "Miss Sarajevo - U2" [20:50] *** Chieftess looks at OUR city placement... :s [20:50] if you don't have a good IA ministry, the AI will get you in the end ;) [20:50] CT - is there a mission for the Galley near Raven's Flight? Sarevokd did not specify [20:50] exploration. [20:50] ok [20:50] Can you take a screenshot? [20:50] of the whole area [20:50] since I see you traded maps [20:50] Go south. [20:51] Egypt has nice lands. [20:51] with the galley [20:51] Then go move there ;) [20:51] who me ? [20:51] Yes, you ;) [20:51] Strider - Egypt has a settler ready in 1, with the city at size 2 [20:52] I noticed ;) [20:52] [03:49] <@RikMeleet> Stupid Egyptians, settler ready; city size 2 ! [20:52] yep [20:52] And we had a worker almost ready in 1 in a size one town... [20:52] 2 cities [20:52] yep [20:52] yep [20:52] Did you get CC-ed ? [20:52] yep [20:52] Nope [20:52] imagine if CT were Cleo, what she'd be doing to the city governor of Thebes ;) [20:52] *** Chieftess still can shake the uncanny resemblence of IA and AI. ;) [20:53] *** Chieftess gets her whip [20:53] or camels... [20:53] [ Thank you for your votes on me for T&T ] [20:53] Your welcome, but I didn't vote for you [20:53] you are welcome [20:53] Strider didn't vote for me either. [20:53] 9 I have met my match! Congrats, Rik! For hurting my eyes, I'll hurt yours! :p ] [20:54] I like abstain [20:54] Music Update "The River - Bruce Springsteen" That is twice in 3 songs; I guess the Music is trying to tell us something. [20:54] Yours is worse, CT [20:54] :) [20:54] *** BlueStrider is listening to Gavin Rossdale "Adrenaline" [20:54] aaahhh! could the T&T candidates please preserve the eyesight of the innocent bystanders? ;) [20:54] to make it really bad it needs to flash [20:54] you know, my little sister actually made the command.com DOS editor with green text and a pink background years ago [20:55] like this ? [20:55] ok, back [20:55] Don't date yourself CT [20:55] military moves done [20:55] flashing pink and green with flashing green and pink writing... [20:55] So, a two light grey's, I wouldn't see anything [20:55] slider done, happyness is ok [20:55] saving and uploading... [20:55] Do the Egy's or Greeks have more techs ? [20:55] I'l wait till the save. [20:56] http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/DG4_BC250_Preturn.sav [20:56] *** Bootstoots has a friend who is slightly colorblind...I like to tease him about green lemonade ;) [20:56] Please let me know if I missed anything. [20:56] loading [20:56] No they don't have new techs [20:57] *** TerminalMan90 is slightly color blind as well. [20:57] *** BlueStrider can't wait for another DG with 6 hr. turnchats [20:57] *** BlueStrider is almost totally colorblind [20:57] what colors can you see? [20:58] Everything is black. [20:58] We'd better watch out for Egyptian settler-galleys. [20:58] .. except the parts that have color. [20:58] Black, white, grey, silver, dark blue's and dark green's... that's about it [20:59] Music Update "One - Metallica" [20:59] I once had to do a presentation and 4 out of the 6 people were colour blind [20:59] awesome song [20:59] Atleast I think it's blue, not quite sure... never seen it before [20:59] The sky is blue. [20:59] and the printer would only print red and green..... [20:59] light blue [20:59] *** Ginger_Ale is now known as GA_afk [20:59] No, it's grey ;) [21:00] Noisy chat today. [21:00] pretty black here, apart from the twinkly bits [21:00] *** BlueStrider is listening to Metallica "Enter Sandman" [21:00] Not black here, unless you count the bird going by [21:00] low signal to noise ratio. [21:01] ok, any comments on the save? [21:01] Wow, I can almost see part of the moon and the sun!! [21:01] go ahead [21:01] End of Turn 0, 250 BC [21:01] nice save ! [21:01] *** Chieftess is now looking for a deputy posistion... [21:01] *** BlueStrider decides to shut up and occupy himself in making French Fries [21:01] Science 100% [21:02] Young woman, aged 26, experienced in the development of C3C looking for a dep position. [21:02] 27 [21:02] "No, I'm only 27". [21:02] Happy Birthday then [21:02] to quote a commercial. [21:02] It was a few weeks ago ;) [21:03] Treasury 579 -3 gpt [21:03] "Fool even your toughest critics!" [21:03] Republic due in 16 [21:03] hitting enter.... [21:03] I think my birthday is coming up soon. let me check [21:03] *** RikMeleet has to force himself not to join the drums in the song; my GF is sleeping .... [21:03] hehe, if I get a job making sure Civ4 is stable, just remember who worked on your next world. ;) [21:04] *** Furiey needs a deputy [21:04] *** BlueStrider needs food [21:05] Furiey: what postition did you win ? I can't remember [21:05] Foreign Affairs [21:05] Music Update: "You're the voice - John Farnham" [21:05] lol! [21:05] Rik, you listen to crappy music :P [21:05] Good title though... [21:05] Should be the theme song of the demogame... [21:06] IBT: [21:06] Strider: I realise some people here are too ******* to appreciate some songs. [21:06] 3 Bab settler pairs on the move. 1 move north west of Mure [21:06] 3! [21:06] I appreciate some songs, just not those ;) [21:06] 1 moves north towards huntington [21:07] yes. It's called city production. ;) [21:07] 1 lands ashore at tip of land north of indian territory [21:07] They have enough cities to do that. [21:07] yep [21:07] Germans want to trade territory maps - I laught at them [21:07] While, we on the other hand... [21:07] Mure: Warrior - > Warrior [21:07] Not really unexpected, the Babs' moves. [21:07] The IA has become the AI... :s [21:07] Now Turn 1 [21:08] moving units... [21:09] I guess Egypt will be our biggest enemy later in the game. Now it's the Babs. [21:09] I was thinking...Egypt has been eliminated in all three past demogames, the only civ to hold that distinction ;) [21:09] haha [21:09] ° what do I care... to get me through the sleepless nights, and what do I have to hold, if no one's there to hold me tight ° [21:10] Wrong button [21:10] Music Update "You're the voice - John Farnaham" - Again ???? What's wrong with my Music- RNG. It must be important to DG 4 I guess...... [21:10] hehe [21:11] something about rivers and voice... [21:11] Are we supposed to talk to a river ? [21:11] "You're the voice" as Strider steps in... [21:11] .... [21:11] Just checked; it indeed is on shuffle. [21:12] What do you use Rik? [21:12] Hey, Strider - can you see coast, sea and ocean? [21:12] Windows Media Player [21:12] How many songs do you have? [21:12] moves done [21:12] Or, is it set to a radio station or something? [21:12] Winamp is better ;) [21:13] In the list I have around 250 [21:13] nothing else to report [21:13] End of Turn 1, 230 BC [21:13] Science 100 [21:13] Yes, CT I can see tell coast, but have a hard time with sea and ocean [21:14] Treasury 576 -3 gpt [21:14] They look about the same to me [21:14] Republic due in 15 [21:14] *** BlueStrider is listening to Stained "So Far Away" [21:15] oh, and in turn 1, 1 warrior upgraded to sword in groton [21:15] hitting enter [21:15] Music Update "Stuck in a moment you can't get out of - U2" [21:15] haha, I don't think anyone has jurisidiction in our const. to issue the order to change governments [21:16] No but citizens can suggest it and take a vote. [21:17] Yeah, but a legal turnchat instruction is made by a leader.... and no leader has that jurisidiction ;) [21:17] IBT: [21:17] Vo Mimbre: Horse -> Worker [21:17] let's create a Government Switching Advisor then! :p [21:17] Santa Lucia - Worker - Sword [21:18] Babs build Nippur NW of Samarra [21:18] Now Turn 2 [21:18] A new leader who's sole job is to order a revolution. [21:18] Well, were have to do something, otherwise were be stuck in depotism the entire game [21:18] but really, as long as it's been polled, it would be in the "will of the people" for the DP to change governments, instruction or not [21:18] moving units [21:19] still a conflict though [21:19] where? [21:19] how would it be a conflict? [21:19] And the Door Mouse said "A CC, a CC, give them all a CC!" [21:19] ??? [21:20] Music update "Help! - Bananarama & Lananeeneenoonoo" [21:21] The DP has to follow the orders given to the leaders, no one else can issue an "legal" instruction. As no leader presides over changing governments, they can't issue that instruction [21:22] it doesn't matter if there is a leader issuing that instruction or not [21:22] I guess that would be IA... [21:22] as long as it has passed a poll [21:22] since they have the revolt button [21:22] and it could probably be defined as IA [21:23] Music Update: "Wat zou je doen (live) - Blof" [21:24] moves done [21:24] slider done, happyness ok [21:25] I. Legal Instructions [21:25] 1. A legal instruction is any instruction, posted in the [21:25] turn chat instruction thread at least one hour prior [21:25] to the start of the turn chat, by a citizen empowered [21:25] to do so, within the limitations of the office the [21:25] citizen is representing. [21:25] No, they can not [21:25] End of Turn 2 [21:25] 210 BC [21:25] Science 100 [21:25] Treasury 533 -3 gpt [21:25] it could easily be withing the limitations of the office (IA) that citizen is representing [21:25] Republic due in 14 [21:25] hitting enter in 10 [21:26] think of governments as affecting the production and commerce of cities. [21:26] That's domestic's realm [21:26] well, IA. [21:26] "enter" [21:26] *** RikMeleet was posting; what is all this legal / CC talk ? [21:27] nothing much ;) [21:27] Music Update "Falling - Julee Cruise" [21:28] IBT: [21:28] Babylon doesn't like our warrior near Nippur (when they founded that city, our warriors ended up being in their territory. I can't move them fast enough for Hammi though) [21:29]