"Session Start: "Wed Mar 24 19:48:24 2004 [19:48] *** Topic is 'Welcome to the Game of Democracy IV: Next Turn Chat is Thursday March 25, 02:00 (2 AM) GMT = Wednesday March 24, 20:00 (9 PM) EST' [19:48] *** Topic set by Chieftess!~jgasioro@Oper.irc-chat.net on Thursday Mar 25 01:01 am (U1:01 AM3/25/2004 1:01:47 AM) [19:48] *** Statistics: 1 Op, 1 Voiced, 1 User (Total: 3) [19:48] hi [19:50] hi CT [19:50] FINALY!!! ZORVEN IS HERE!!! :D [19:51] STRIDER!!! [19:51] setting sliders.... [19:52] ok, sliders set to 0 science and 10 luxery. [19:52] if 0 luxury then we have 5 cities rioting [19:52] setting build queues [19:53] (CT) or Zorven - Strider needs a voice [19:53] ° What do I care? If it won't get me through the sleepless nights, and what do I have to hold, if no one's there to hold me tight? ° [19:53] I was doing that when before you typed it. ;) [19:53] When I log on, there's lag. [19:53] lol [19:53] because I'm joining all of these rooms. [19:53] Yeah right :P [19:54] Poor Strider. ;) [19:54] I just joined about a minute ago [19:54] CT - Strider is not poor [19:54] CT - Strider is rich, remember ;) [19:54] Finally a T/C I can make it to!! Doe's sick, so she decided to fall asleep on the coach... [19:55] Strider - She is sleaping on top of the football coach!!! :o [19:55] hmm, you know what I meant CG [19:55] BTW, is it just me, or are turnchats becoming less popular? (or, maybe it's that they're held so late at night) [19:56] 8 pm isn't late [19:56] well, east coast time anyway. :p [19:56] it is for the east coasters ;) [19:56] Also, there only becoming less popular, because there is no point in going to one [19:56] Strider - what do you mean? [19:56] *** Chieftess misses the good old days. :) [19:57] Heck, there's no point in even reading the log really, not even the leaders have to [19:57] and there's less advisors. [19:57] I think the only reason we kept logs was for the PIs. [19:57] Just download the latest game save, and your good to go!! [19:57] *** CivGeneral also misses the good old days [19:58] This demogame just feels too... "automated". [19:58] CT - Time for your retieerie script [19:58] ;) [19:58] :p [19:59] *** BlueStrider remembers the Victory Chat in DG1, the last turn of the game, and the DP disappeared for half an hour [19:59] CT & Strider - Do you think that things will go back to the good old days in DG5? [20:00] heh, once curu comes back, I'm unleashing the onslaught again [20:00] Don't know. [20:00] build queues done [20:01] I talked to him about a week ago, and he said computer in about a month [20:01] T&T is up... [20:02] If I were in trade, I'd be dictating every trade move right now with the TMs and contacts trades. :) [20:02] that is, trading for contacts, not giving them away [20:03] boots!!!! [20:03] CG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [20:03] low turnout today [20:03] I miss the Strider/Civantor Science Team, and Curu for culture. [20:03] beginning to trade for contact with the Aztecs... [20:03] yeah. [20:03] The Trade Advisor is sleeping... [20:04] *** BlueStrider bought the transformers movie today (don't ask) [20:04] why :p [20:05] ok, trading our world map for contact with the Aztecs [20:07] *** BlueStrider pokes Zorvan [20:07] *** Chieftess hopes we're getting new contacts with each new contact trade [20:07] i.e., trade with Persia, get contact with Aztecs. Then, get another contact from the Aztecs [20:07] *** BlueStrider feels like he got ran over by a four-wheeler [20:07] Why? Persia's gonna trade around our WM and depriciate the price. [20:08] *** BlueStrider thinks CT is talking to herself [20:08] http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/DG4_AD510_Aztecs.jpg [20:10] trading for contact with the Iroquois [20:12] wb [20:12] thanks [20:12] good [20:12] [21:06:29] <@zorven> http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/DG4_AD510_Aztecs.jpg [20:12] [21:07:57] <@zorven> trading for contact with the Iroquois [20:13] All in all, slow turnchat [20:13] *** BlueStrider thinks he's going to play some of his PBEMS [20:13] is that what happened after I yanked my battery out and pluged it back in? [20:13] By trading our world map to the Aztecs, I can get: [20:13] Contact with the Zulu and Iroquois, 12 gold, and their Territory Map [20:14] Any of their worldmaps yet/ [20:14] I suppose maybe with the Zulu or Iroquios [20:14] Did trade leave the instructions open-ended enough? [20:14] with all but Persia [20:15] I'd probably go with both contacts while we can. [20:15] *with all new contacts [20:15] Do we have a full worldmap of their continent? [20:15] No, no map yet. The aztec TM will bet the first. I am guessing we can then get world maps from zulu and iroquis [20:16] yeah. [20:16] See what size they are, too. [20:16] It seems like they have tons of room to grow. [20:16] BTW, we're up against a huge Persia. This could get dicey in the modern era. ;) [20:16] ok, doing the Aztec deal for 2 contacts in exchange for our world map [20:17] unless we have another Phony Persian War, of which there aren't enough civs to really stall them. [20:17] Phone? [20:17] *** CivGeneral waits for CT to bring in the Retieerie Script :p [20:17] Phony I said. :) [20:18] Remember that? DG2? [20:18] zulus are up monarcy and feudalism and down monothiesm. they only have 35 gold [20:18] Yeah, DG1 was still the best though [20:19] we can trade our world map for their: wm, tm and 35 gold [20:19] What can we get from the other civs? [20:19] i.e., WM-wise [20:20] The Iroquios will give us wm, tm and all their gold (96) for our wm [20:20] we are up math, poly, and republic on the iroquios [20:20] wow [20:20] Were they at war or something? [20:21] you know, this could've been a quick chat where we could've discussed if we wanted embassies... [20:21] :) [20:22] zulu will give us fedualism for our wm and 116 gold [20:22] How many turns do we have left on fued? [20:22] 6 [20:22] *** BlueStrider lost his soup bowl on his way to his room, so he's gotta go backtrack and find it [20:23] That means, the Iroquois don't have: Math, Currency, Polytheism, Mysticism, Monarchy... [20:24] how about we do the trade with iroquois: our wm for their wm, tm, and 96 gold [20:25] sure [20:25] *** Chieftess misses the old days, when there would be 1-2 dozen people in the chatroom, voicing their oppinions... [20:26] That's actually the part I don't miss [20:26] same [20:26] Now, the times when there was maybe 8 people on were nice [20:26] You don't like turnchats? :) [20:27] good old town meetings? [20:27] Well, I use to like them... [20:27] Now there boring, nothing to do realyl [20:27] yeah [20:27] regulars were eyrei, Cyc, me, Strider, CG, Curufinwe, STuck_as_a_Mac... [20:27] donsig [20:27] Falcon [20:27] I'm 6.1144% geek!! [20:27] Gunning [20:27] BCLG [20:28] Im not sure about Shaitan [20:28] he never came much [20:28] except when he was the DP [20:28] He had work during most of the T/C's [20:28] Is the Demogame Dying? [20:28] last possible trade is our wm and 116 gold to zulu for Feudalism. any opinions [20:29] Did you trade with the Iroquois yet? [20:29] yes [20:29] If not, I'd trade with the Zulus first, then Iroquois. [20:29] WM price might depreciate, but I doubt enough for the Iroquois to care. [20:30] iroquois deal done. zulu trade on the table [20:30] I think it is a fair trade [20:30] It's not dying of it's own accord, were killing it ;) [20:31] ok, do it. [20:31] ok, trading wm and 116 gold to zulu for Feudalism [20:31] I have such a desire for fame that I wish to take the life of the most talented person alive. However, I have heard that suicide is illegal. (good one) [20:31] And remember when we used to have a few lurkers, too? :) [20:31] Do you have a screenshot? [20:31] CT, remember AlimightyJosh? [20:31] Hi Oct [20:31] I will upload shortly [20:32] yeah [20:32] best governor we ever had. [20:32] rushing temple in mure for 228 [20:32] yeah... [20:32] Quite possibly one of the best govonors this game has ever seen [20:32] No one makes provincial flags anymore... [20:32] his was the best, too. [20:32] Asphinxia *WAS* the Demogame Golden Age! [20:33] What was the name of the guy who always ran Normandy? He was pretty good, too... [20:33] End of Turn 0, 510 AD [20:33] Tax 90 Lux 10 [20:33] 347 gold +109 [20:33] Chivalry due in 40 [20:33] saving and uploading [20:34] http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/DG4_AD510_Preturn.sav [20:34] opening... [20:35] my first thougt was "wow" [20:35] :eek: [20:35] wow [20:35] unfortunately, we are going to have 10 turns of min science towards chivalry this chat [20:36] There's what looks like a razed city or something by the chokehold [20:36] Iroquois or Aztec probably [20:36] the road [20:36] I am going to continue unless someone wants me to wait [20:36] I would make one, but I'm not a govonor, I don't even know where I live!! [20:36] continue, were listening ;) [20:36] BOB!!! [20:37] any embassies? [20:37] Or, where there no discussions for those? [20:37] *** BlueStrider also remembers how all of the demogames from differant sites use to establish embassies with eachother [20:37] So, the missing civ is probably west of India [20:37] "enter" [20:37] yeah [20:37] Eww, OCT!!!! [20:37] Excuse yourself Oct [20:37] or north of us [20:38] or in the ocean in the center of the continents (doubtful) [20:38] What, never watched Monty Python and the Holy Grail, Cg? [20:38] :p [20:38] That was, the most annoying waste of 2 hrs, ever [20:39] The transformers movie? :p [20:39] No, Monthy Python [20:39] I guess taste in humor differs in all people... [20:39] IBT: [20:39] babylon and germany sign peace [20:39] It's easily one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. [20:39] DR: temple - settler [20:39] santa lucia: horse - temple [20:39] BTW, I added to the DoI thread. [20:40] I thought it was stupid, anybody can keep rattling on and say something funny after alittle while [20:40] almaren: worker - warrior [20:40] mure: temple - worker [20:40] and I add a new roof to the palace [20:40] Too bad we didn't raise the lux slider... [20:40] Civalry in 11 had we done so [20:40] Now Turn 1 [20:40] *Chivalry [20:40] by raising lux [20:40] ? [20:40] science [20:40] ah [20:40] science slider. :p [20:41] Strider is Science ;) [20:41] yes, the senate made no provision for changing it once we had feuda [20:41] moving units [20:42] I don't know why we put the slider to the senate... it's one of the basic things of civ. If you have unhappiness, raise lux. Raise science as high as you can without a deficit. If you can't get extra science, put it to 0 or 10% [20:43] Funny thing is, when we have unhappiness, it''s when I'm the happiest :) [20:43] *** BlueStrider is listening to Rolling Stones "Paint It Black" [20:43] Decided to take over for Rik [20:43] lol [20:43] haha [20:44] That's about the only excitement this demogame... [20:44] hehe [20:44] ct, any recommendations for workers? [20:45] yeah, I posted them in the DoI thread [20:46] *** BlueStrider is listening to Pink Floyd "Wish You Were Here" [20:46] So, Strider - are you using some script with that? Or typing it manually? [20:46] (beep) [20:46] Manually, I deleted all of my old scripts [20:47] I guess I'll pick a random station... [20:47] any good ones? :) [20:47] Any stations that aren't rap/country based [20:48] Even some of the opera one's can be interesting at times [20:48] Which program do you use? [20:48] Winamp [20:48] I'm using Windows Media Player now.. [20:48] ok [20:49] Winamp has some pretty good stations also [20:49] The netscape browser has some REALLY good one's [20:50] *** BlueStrider is listening to Story of the Year "And Here the Hero will Drown" [20:51] End of Turn 1, 520 AD [20:51] tax 90 lux 10 [20:51] 456 gold +114 [20:51] chiv in 39 [20:51] enter in 10 [20:51] Whoa, 520 AD and we haven't met anybody? [20:51] lol [20:52] *everybody [20:52] Time to bring out the galleys [20:52] Now Playing: [20:52] "enter" [20:52] Now Playing: Wonderous [20:52] ack [20:52] lol [20:52] Now Playing: Wonderous Stories [20:52] there! [20:52] :p [20:53] *** BlueStrider is listening to Green Day "Good Riddance" [20:53] Oh no [20:53] here comes the battle of the bands [20:53] hehe [20:53] Try to read into each... [20:53] each what? [20:54] Wonderous Stories - Civ2 Wonders! [20:54] *Civ3 [20:54] Ahh [20:54] like Rik's Random Song Generator [20:54] CT - I beleve its done with the "/me" commands [20:55] Now Playing: Ziggy Stardust [20:55] IBT: [20:55] *** BlueStrider is listening to GooGoo Dolls "Broadway is Dark Tonight" [20:55] indian settler near bootsville appears to head home [20:56] vo mimbre: horse - library [20:56] st oct: settler - aquaduct [20:56] cijam: settler - library [20:56] "appears"? [20:56] Yay! An aquaduct! :D [20:56] appears = seems. :) [20:56] influence expands for: bootsville and zariqum (babylon) [20:56] Always reminds me of that cartoon aquaduck [20:57] Horray for (boots)ville [20:57] babylon and germany are building sun tzu's [20:57] Now Turn 2 [20:57] Two down 8 more to go.. [20:57] we are cranking out settlers, but no military to garrison the new cities :( [20:58] Were using one of my tatics!! [20:58] There shouldn't be too many barbs out now... [20:58] Of course, I wouldn't still be settling at 520 AD [20:58] :eek: [20:58] Now Playing: Flirting with disaster [20:58] My RNG is dictating play! [20:59] I would under one condition. Cities were razed. [20:59] But, yes, 520AD is *VERY* late to be settling. [21:01] Now Playing: Medal of Honor: Allied Assault [21:01] long song... [21:02] Anyway, I G2G [21:02] Later everyone [21:02] bye [21:02] I need to head to bed also [21:03] goodnight [21:03] In reality, that means Doe just woke up.... [21:03] *** BlueStrider has Returned (Been gone 23hrs 11mins 24secs) [21:03] might be more than we need to know... [21:04] Now Playing: I'm Your Captain [21:04] Captain of the ship! [21:04] Did that galley survive, zorven? [21:04] :p [21:04] bah [21:04] I'm playing the RSG (Random Song Generator) in Rik's place [21:04] sorry, forgot the turnchat was going on for an hour ;) [21:05] http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/DG4_AD510_Preturn.sav [21:05] Sit down before it loads. ;) [21:05] End of Turn 2, 530 AD [21:05] tax 90 lux 10 [21:05] 570 gold +101 [21:05] zorven - did that galley survive? [21:05] chiv in 38 [21:05] which one? [21:05] the one that spotted Persia [21:05] yes [21:06] enter in 10 [21:06] than that song is for that galley! :) [21:06] "enter" [21:07] This song is 10 minutes long! :eek: [21:07] IBT: [21:08] that indian settler from bootsvilles is still heading south, now next to zariqum [21:08] babylon appears to be sending another settler toworad mr r's [21:08] DR: settler - colosseum [21:08] Probably to that empty spot [21:08] huntington: library - temple [21:09] next to the mountain by Cijam [21:09] raven's flight: influence expands [21:09] I'd suggest settling there now... [21:09] that spot will be settled....now [21:09] and in other spaces [21:09] now turn 3 [21:10] 81Citizen Spot Vote 8 Should I skip this 10 minute song? :p ( Yes/No/Abstain ) [21:10] Internal founded west of Cijam next to the mountain [21:11] That's the tricky "no-man's-land" where any spot is next to a full city radius. :) [21:13] Now Playing: Free Ride [21:15] ... [21:15] *** vbraun thinks zorven has died [21:15] ;) [21:15] still here :) [21:16] You can have a free ride on my camels! :D [21:16] No thx :P [21:16] I have to mm montpellier or it is going to riot. my only other choice is to stop the chat. [21:16] wow.. now this is why things were much better in DG1. :p [21:16] or raise the lux when the senate said only 10% [21:16] Now Playing: I'm Not In Love [21:17] I'm not in love with these rules. :p [21:17] Make it use a taxman [21:17] just keep it at size 6/7 for now [21:18] I think that taxman was there so it wouldn't grow... [21:18] End of 3, 540 AD [21:18] Back in DG1 and 2, all the domestic advisor had to say was, "Sure, raise the lux rate to 20%, and see if it won't riot"... [21:19] tax 90 lux 10 [21:19] now, it's, "Take it to the forums for every little detail" [21:19] 671 gold +105 [21:19] chiv in 37 [21:19] enter in 10 [21:19] Why in my day... We didn't try to micromanage every little detail 10 turns ahead in the forums! :p *grumble* *grumble* *grumble* [21:19] "enter" [21:20] Now Playing: Come and get It [21:20] IBT: [21:20] the indian settler near groton appears to be heading home [21:21] Persians are building sistine's [21:21] now turn 4 [21:21] Come and get what, I wonder... [21:22] hi Peri [21:22] I'm filling in for Rik's Random Song Generator [21:23] Now Playing: Burn Down the Mission [21:23] hi CT [21:23] lol [21:23] what mission? :) [21:24] End of Turn 4, 550 AD [21:24] tax 90 lux 10 [21:24] 776 gold +107 [21:24] chiv in 36 [21:24] enter in 109 [21:24] *10 [21:25] "enter" [21:26] IBT: [21:26] the babylonian settler near Mr R's appears to be heading hime [21:26] *home [21:26] hi Peri [21:26] Now turn 5 [21:26] yeah, he was probably headed for the spot we just settled in [21:26] burn down Babylon's mission to settle in our lands! [21:27] :) [21:27] hi boots [21:27] *** Chieftess wonders where the turnchat excitement from DG1 and 2 went... [21:28] It was never this quiet... (save for the 0'dark-30 chats) [21:28] casue its a late night [21:28] but it is still v quiet [21:29] cyc, donsig, eyrei... chatroom regulars that don't come anymore [21:29] cyc came until a month or so ago [21:29] thats right [21:29] even cg is absent [21:29] He was here [21:30] but left before you came in [21:30] off i go [21:30] Oct was here, but left [21:30] Stuck_as_a_Mac seems to have lost interest [21:30] Curufinwe is gonna be so disoriented when he comes back... [21:30] Doei [21:31] Vandopolis founded between Mr R's and Santa Lucia [21:31] 100% coastal city I hope... [21:32] *** Chieftess hopes that doesn't mean 3 N of Mr. Roger's. [21:34] dang, I just saw that Egypt build a city on the coast north of Grand Bricolage [21:34] End of Turn 5, 560 AD [21:34] tax 90 lux 10 [21:34] 883 gold +115 [21:34] chiv in 35 [21:34] saving and uploading [21:35] http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/DG4_AD560.sav [21:35] -HostServ- Automatically setting your Hidden Host to zorven.Users.irc-chat.net [21:35] even zorven has lost interest ;) [21:35] http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/DG4_AD560.sav [21:36] Now Playing: When Love & Hate Collide [21:36] Love of the old days, hate of the new rules. [21:36] lol [21:36] zorven - have those workers by Montp. help the worker mining the hill in Groton [21:36] what's so bad about the new rules? [21:37] that is where they are headed [21:37] in the c3c game we have not really got a ruleset, i wonder if that would work here? [21:37] there are also 2 workers in groton [21:37] ok [21:37] Aren't we going to build a city near Athribis [21:37] yes [21:38] although it was down low in the voting [21:38] hmm, Zarquim and Larsa... Ah, Larsa. I remember thee well. :) [21:38] There's almost nowhere to settle now [21:38] shall I continue? [21:38] Larsa - The Babylonian colony which quickened our win in the Babylonian Wars [21:38] proceed. [21:39] "enter" [21:39] What other sites are there now? [21:40] maybe by Yatutsk... [21:40] but that's it [21:40] Now Playing: Play With Fire [21:40] IBT: [21:40] Huntington influence expands [21:41] Yay! We have a Tile-Hold on the Greek Homeland! :-D [21:41] we gain a tile of influence in boots, so now babylon is roading our tile :) [21:41] no wait [21:41] boots: barracks - harbor [21:41] that's Raven's Flight [21:41] russia is building sun tzu's [21:41] Now turn 6 [21:42] Now Playing: Rock you like a Hurricane [21:42] Maybe we'll rock Russia like a hurricane soon? [21:44] You can vote for those songs too. [21:44] Voted: "I hate it!" [21:44] is there a request's slot on radio CT? [21:44] not this one [21:45] It's a very simple web-based radio station [21:45] by simple, I mean a little "song genre" menu, and "now playing" [21:45] with the last 5 songs played [21:45] hi [21:45] evening all [21:45] *** Padma is confused -- I thought this was a turnchat. ;) [21:45] hello RF [21:45] hi Ravensfire [21:46] Hello peri, Boots - how goes the chat? [21:46] CG forgot to post nomination threads, I've started posting them [21:46] Ravens - just so you know (speaking as another moderator), no flaming other users. (I saw that post you wrote in reply to CG). [21:46] But, you apologized, so that's good. :) [21:47] End of Turn 6, 570 AD [21:47] tax 90 lux 10 [21:47] 999 gold +117 [21:47] I know CT - my bad. Let's put it this way - I just got home from work. And I started 15 hours ago. [21:47] chiv in 34 [21:47] enter in 10 [21:48] I tested games for 15 hours last summer/fall (got $500 a week, too). Granted, I was in my element... :) [21:48] Now Playing: Rocket Man [21:48] "enter" [21:48] Our gpt is rocketing! (, man!) :p [21:48] *boo* *hiss* [21:49] lol [21:49] That would have been nice - we're having issues getting our app to work with the UK. Network folks are blaming us (developers), we're blaming them - it's all good! [21:49] GPT is fine - it's when I see the cash reserves build up and nobody uses them that I get displeased. [21:49] We could've had Chivalry in 11 turns at the start of the chat... [21:50] after the trade [21:50] *** Ravensfire looks at his MFL idea and imagines the benefits of a person proactively handling rushes [21:50] IBT: [21:50] vandaley: market - temple [21:50] That used to be Culture and Domestic... [21:50] almaren: warrior - temple [21:50] now tunr 7 [21:51] Now Playing: Living Loving Maid [21:51] Joan the Maid. [21:51] Joan of Arc! [21:51] Chivalry! [21:52] Liebling founded west of Montpellier [21:52] orange borders discover west of almaren [21:53] *** Disconnected [21:55] *** Not connected to server "Session Close: "Wed Mar 24 21:56:02 2004 "Session Start: "Wed Mar 24 21:56:23 2004 [21:56] *** Topic is 'Welcome to the Game of Democracy IV: Next Turn Chat is Thursday March 25, 02:00 (2 AM) GMT = Wednesday March 24, 20:00 (9 PM) EST' [21:56] *** Topic set by Chieftess!~jgasioro@Oper.irc-chat.net on Thursday Mar 25 01:01 am (U1:01 AM3/25/2004 1:01:47 AM) [21:56] *** Statistics: 2 Ops, 4 Voiced, 1 User (Total: 7) [21:56] that was fun [21:56] [22:52:25] Now Playing: No More Mr. Nice Guy [21:56] [22:53:11] :s [21:56] [22:53:42] Peer! That's who! [21:56] I disconnected too [21:56] peer [21:56] in turn 7: [21:57] Liebling founded west of montpellier [21:57] Now Playing: Tush [21:57] :s [21:57] orange borders discovered west of almaren [21:57] End of Turn 7 580 AD [21:57] Interesting ..... [21:57] screenshot/ [21:57] tax 90 lux 10 [21:57] 1116 gold +137 [21:57] chiv in 33 [21:58] screen coming [21:58] ok [21:58] Rik's Music RNG dictates play better... [21:59] Good grief - look at that cash! Hmmm, just how much do I plan to request for MIA cities ... [21:59] Had we gone 70% or 80%, we'd have Chivalry the next turnchat. [21:59] http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/DG4_AD580_Orange.jpg [21:59] upgrades... [21:59] enter in 10 [22:00] "enter" [22:00] IBT: [22:01] Groton's influece expands [22:01] we lost our adventurous galley [22:01] now turn 8 [22:02] but, we're doing 0% research now when we don't have to. [22:02] 10% rather [22:02] Well, time to start a citizen's discussion on slider settings - I really wish we'd push to be the tech leaders [22:02] And trade them around for gpt deals [22:02] This is why sliders weren't in the hands of a senate before. [22:02] They were in the hands of domestic. [22:02] who could just say, "Ok, change it" [22:02] In fact, I always wondered why domestic had the slider, too. [22:02] CT - to some extant, that's irrelevant. The Senate isn't responsive because we (citizens) aren't pushing them. [22:02] I admit, the Senate idea failed - but blame the people, not the system. [22:02] I blame myself for bringing up the senate in the first place. :p [22:02] back in DG1. :) [22:02] -opsb- Your Host is being Scanned for Open Proxies [22:02] -HostServ- Automatically setting your Hidden Host to zorven.Users.irc-chat.net [22:03] Now Playing: Sympathy for the devil [22:03] This has Rik's songs... [22:03] excellent [22:03] but we dont have any tanks yet [22:03] no Dutch ones, though... [22:04] CT - I agree. I filter some of the suggestions when I post polls. No more Mūres [22:04] nothing like a nice bit of keith and mick :) [22:04] hmm, the Iroquois have 5 "young" (no culture) cities... [22:05] Catta is a level 3 city [22:05] So is Grand River [22:05] Late settlers? Or at war? [22:06] They're running out of room to expand, and fast. :) [22:06] zorven - have that screenshot yet? [22:06] ravensfire - you didn't include instructions for grand bricolage and ville de buisson [22:06] Aztecs are huge, and have horses & iron. [22:07] ville de buisson is set to build a pikeman in 2 turns [22:07] Zulus don't have their iron connected [22:07] End of Turn 8 590 AD [22:07] yay! Pikes! :D [22:07] tax 90 lux 10 [22:07] 1253 gold +136 [22:07] chiv in 32 [22:07] enter in 10 [22:08] zorven - sorry, thought they were in Audiac. My bad! [22:08] Persia has iron and horses (wonder if they used their Immortals yet) [22:08] Zulus look a little flattened out [22:08] "enter" [22:09] Now Playing: Invention Submission [22:09] My Music RNG suggests we research Invention. [22:10] hehe, almost missed that song [22:10] Now Playing: Abacab [22:10] what to make of that one/ [22:10] IBT: [22:11] egypt building sun tzu and sistine [22:11] now turn 9 [22:11] zorven - where's the screenie? [22:11] And were you able to meet orange? [22:11] Anarchyisgodville is founded south of ville de buisson [22:11] http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/DG4_AD580_Orange.jpg [22:11] we lost the galley IBT [22:11] so no contact [22:11] am sending another galley [22:12] See that coast 3 tiles SW of Almaren? [22:12] (not the furthest one) [22:12] try from there [22:12] I think you'll make it [22:13] Very hard to tell without a grid... [22:13] Next time you make a screenshot, please use the grid. :) [22:14] ok [22:14] End of Turn 9 [22:14] 600 AD [22:14] tax 90 lux 10 [22:14] 1389 gold +142 [22:14] chiv in 31 [22:14] enter in 10 [22:15] I *THINK* the coast just above the one you left from could make it, but then again, I can't tell [22:15] "enter" [22:16] *** Chieftess remembers back in DG1, domestic would be in charge of the budget every game turn. It didn't matter if there were instructions. As long as there was discussion and polls... [22:16] to back the DA up. [22:16] A simple, "If we have left over money, see if you can rush something". [22:17] Hey - you know the Senate could have done that here ... [22:17] All of the advisors were right there in the chatroom, "advising". [22:17] we could have the proposed new minister do that [22:17] Where's the senate now? :) [22:17] Who *IS the senate? [22:17] Blame the people, CT, blame the peole [22:17] IBT: [22:17] the senate idea was a failed one, I must say (I'm the VP and president of the Senate) [22:17] DR: Colosseum - settler [22:17] Boots - why can't you change anything? [22:18] Senate: Provincial Governors (CG and tao) and At-Large (TM90) [22:18] * DR: colossum - market [22:18] Sometimes I wonder if the governors actually look at the whole picture... [22:18] ooligaria: library - market [22:18] ville de: pike - pike [22:18] the slider hinges on three people really [22:18] now turn 10 [22:18] Excellent - looking good zorven! [22:19] 3 people who might not know if their city increases in size, if one more will be unhappy... [22:19] Now Playing: Shakin' all Over [22:19] yeah [22:19] shaking mad! [22:19] that's why I think the Ministry of Finance and Labor proposal is a good idea [22:19] Incompitent senate! :) [22:20] that would be us, plus the two senates before us ;) [22:20] Boots - it looks like 2 or 3 people have concerns [22:20] I'll nominate myself for that. :) [22:20] That's like the odd-ball-duty-out for Domestic... [22:21] I'll beat you to your nomination (possibly), leaving you with no other option but to accept it :D [22:21] Speaking of nominations... [22:21] Gert-janl, tao mostly, with some questions from ybbor. Good questions raised [22:21] the (possibly) there in case you beat me to it [22:21] End of Turn 10, 610 AD [22:21] It's the 24th... [22:21] when do they go up/ [22:21] about half an hour ago ;) [22:22] :p [22:22] tax 90 lux 10 [22:22] Now Playing: Wheel in the Sky [22:22] 1531 gold +143 [22:22] chiv in 30 [22:22] Of course, it'll probably take a half of a term just to bring about that change [22:22] saving and uploading [22:23] *** Chieftess needs another radio station. This one doesn't give good songs... [22:23] http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/DG4_AD610.sav [22:23] CHAT IS OVER [22:23] [23:20] Of course, it'll probably take a half of a term just to bring about that change [22:23] Thanks everyone