"Session Start: "Sat Mar 20 13:46:55 2004 [13:46] *** Topic is 'Welcome to the Game of Democracy IV: Next Turn Chat is Saturday March 20 @ 20:00 GMT = 14:00 CST' [13:46] *** Topic set by zorven!zorven@zorven.Users.irc-chat.net on Wednesday Mar 17 03:25 am (U3:25 AM3/17/2004 3:25:55 AM) [13:46] *** Statistics: 1 Op, 4 Voiced, 1 User (Total: 5) [13:50] hi everyone [13:51] *** JDream is now known as JD`Tv [13:51] hi Pete [13:52] hey [13:53] ° I got the Powwa stick, but it doesn't work! ° [13:53] ° All be quiet now; Rik has something to say ! ° [13:53] hello [13:53] hi Rik [13:53] glad you got your internet fixed [13:53] No Music Updates, I am listening to Internet radio. [13:54] oh well - it needs your RNG for proper Music Updates [13:54] hi gert-janl [13:54] hey Strider [13:54] hi [13:55] Gert-Janl [13:55] hi all [13:55] hi zorven [13:55] [ Fanatican News Flash - 1575 BC ] There are 3 dutch people present ! [13:55] I am just finishing build queues [13:56] *** zorven is playing the Dutch in my C3C game [13:56] 1575 BC? [13:56] time warp [13:56] forget the year.. [13:56] I'll change it [13:56] [ Fanatican News Flash - 410 AD ] Year is changed [13:56] making sure you're early for the turnchat! [13:56] My Berry build queues: [13:57] Bootsville: Temple [13:57] you are 1985 years early ! [13:57] Montpellier: Library [13:57] Vo Mimbre: Horseman [13:57] DR: Library [13:57] Huntingtin: Library [13:58] Gert-Janl: What city are you from ? [13:58] Santa Lucia: Library [13:58] den haag [13:58] ok. [13:58] i saw you are from nijmegen? [13:58] yep [13:58] thoughts on whether I should build more military? [13:59] JDream is from Nijmegen as well. [13:59] we will need horsemen to upgrade to knights [13:59] zorven: get some buildings first. No use building military without for instance barracks. [13:59] I agree with Furiey [13:59] upgr needs raxxes too. [13:59] some of the cities have Barracks - use those [14:00] Turn Chat has officially started. [14:00] OK [14:01] Our previous queen has died today. [14:01] only DR and Vo Mimbre have barracks in Berry. I think a library first in DR is in order [14:01] Groton has a rax as well [14:01] I don't have control over Groton [14:01] only Berry [14:01] ah [14:02] if we don't use the lux slider, DR has 2 specialists [14:02] I am going to use Vo Mimbre to build military. Lux at 20% [14:02] And you have control of T&T as well. [14:02] yes [14:02] ah - better [14:02] to lux slider that is [14:02] So, as it stands we have 1 city building military: Vo Mimbre. Do we need another city (without barracks) builing horsemen? [14:02] 20% is much. Hope to get the incense soon. [14:02] let me check [14:04] Perhaps Groton, although it does need buildings as well. [14:04] I have renamed Shuruppak to Finklewink, and Nippur to Almaren. I did not rename Eridu as we are giving it away. [14:04] Groton is doing the FP thing though [14:04] true, [14:05] Than DR ? [14:05] units in between buildings ? [14:05] Eridu, we are giving it to India [14:06] could do that in DR. less than 8 turns until library done. I could use Santa Lucia to build horsemen and wait on the culture. [14:06] at the size it is MM for production we can get 15+ spt in DR [14:06] Santa L has no rax [14:07] We can get DR up to 18 spt, with 2 food surplus. [14:07] *** Chieftess is back after 2h39m: auto-away after 30m idle [14:07] Hello Jen. [14:07] I know. as it stands now, my choices are 1 vet horse in VM every 5 turns (2 per chat) or that and Santa Lucia builds a reg horse every 5 turns (a total of 4 per chat) [14:07] I think only 2 per chat is a bit skimpy [14:08] hi [14:08] hi CT [14:08] Yea [14:08] hi CT [14:08] hey CT [14:08] So, I think I will swicth santa lucia from library to horsemen [14:08] discussing building horsemen [14:08] Are we going for Knights? [14:09] As long as trade or tech isn't stopped; it's fine with me. What is the slider going to be at ? [14:09] the last poll said yes [14:09] what are we reasearching right now? [14:09] Feud [14:10] ok [14:10] how many turns left [14:10] slider for tech at 0 (feuda due in 16) [14:10] for feud [14:10] k [14:10] ok, build queues done [14:11] gifting Eridu to India... [14:11] gift wrap it ! [14:11] I got he bow tie [14:12] take a screenshot. [14:12] of? [14:12] gifting the town to india [14:12] Poor Eridu - if we had a chance to keep you we would have [14:12] the gifting; nice for the fthreads [14:12] Now watch it flip back. :) [14:12] I already did it (sorry) [14:12] Poor Eri***FLIP***** [14:13] zorv: no prob. [14:13] cash rushing courthouse in Groton... [14:13] umm....well they like our government more :D [14:13] pity our culture sucks [14:13] They were polite. We'll see soon if he is gracious now. [14:14] I meant, flip to Babylon [14:14] well cya [14:14] CT: I don't think it will flip quickly. [14:14] gtg [14:14] courthouse rushed for a fee of 216 [14:14] moving units... [14:14] Is it ready for the FP yet? :D [14:15] path = court->cath->FP [14:15] It's a miracle that the AI built correctly in that area... maybe in a limited war... [14:15] what area CT ? [14:15] so the cathedral got through the poll? [14:15] yes - those cities will fit in nicely :) [14:15] I guess it did [14:15] i.e., Babylon's cities. [14:16] What is so correct ? [14:16] The cities are perfect, save for New Berlin [14:16] An OCP build - Industrial Cities. [14:17] that cathedral poll: there were 7 in favor, 5 against and 3 voted other [14:17] wouldn't that make 8vs7, so the plan fails? [14:18] Interesting GJ. [14:18] I think the 3 other were in favor of the plan minus the Cath. So that makes 10 in favor, 7 of those want the Cath [14:18] moves done. [14:18] Is the poll still active? I'll vote yes. :) [14:18] yes it is [14:18] If it gets it into WLTKD [14:18] quick link? [14:18] http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82308 [14:19] End of Turn 0, 410 AD [14:19] ok, it's because i voted other since i don't want a cathedral, but do want the fp in groton [14:19] Tax 80, Lux 20 [14:19] 1064 gold +73 per turn [14:19] Feuda due in 16 [14:19] saving and uploading [14:19] Voted yes, but it's stlll the minority vote. [14:20] so i should have voted against? [14:20] http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/DG4_AD410_Preturn.sav [14:20] I guess other was the right choice. I voted yes as well, but I'm not realy in facor of the cath., [14:20] gert-janl - no, for. ;) [14:21] I will wait so you can look at the save [14:21] zorven: you can MM in Groton from shields to food. It doesn't need shields since it has a cashrushed court. it can grow in 1. [14:22] Or, shields to commerce [14:22] i.e., the lake [14:22] Have the people go fishing! [14:22] :o [14:22] No, I can't. [14:22] Open the fish market! :-D [14:22] zorven : ? [14:23] I have to follow the instructions given to me. [14:23] IA [14:23] Rename it Nijmegen for Rik and JDream! ;) [14:23] brb [14:23] it was instructed to use those tiles ? [14:23] CT: what city is to be renamed Nijmegen ? [14:23] http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/Groton_5.jpg [14:24] sorry wrong one [14:24] http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/Groton_6.jpg [14:25] NOOO !!!! N.E.C. - AZ 0 - 2 :( [14:25] NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! [14:25] haha [14:25] Damn AZ [14:25] =/ [14:25] gert-janl: What are ya laughin bout? [14:25] ;P [14:25] Samen trekken wij ten stijde, voor rood zwart en groen ! [14:25] sure [14:26] Hahahaha jep [14:26] ;) [14:26] *** JD`Tv is now known as JDream [14:26] Funny: The radio now plays 1 of my Music Updates "Have a little faith in me - John Hiatt" [14:26] back. [14:26] yes RM it was instructed to use those tiles [14:26] I saw it in fur's screenshots. [14:26] ok [14:26] hitting enter in 10 [14:27] "enter" [14:27] India still polite, not even Gracious. Greedy bastards. [14:27] Interesting graphics (screenshot) [14:28] IBT: [14:28] Groton: Court - Cathedral [14:28] nothing else [14:28] Now Turn 1 [14:28] moving units.. [14:29] i still think it's 8vs8 in the poll [14:29] voting other is, in my opinion a vote against the plan [14:30] Ville de Buisson founded NE of Montpellier (on the coast) [14:30] nice name [14:31] Furiey: your city next.... [14:31] wow! [14:33] What is Buisson? [14:33] I don't no ? [14:33] *know ! [14:33] CT: you have translator somewhere online. I know sice you were translating dutch. [14:34] :D [14:34] buisson = bush [14:34] ah [14:34] ok, Babelfish says, "Bush" [14:34] City of Bush ?? Gift it away ! Imagine: George W 's city !! [14:35] haha [14:35] I knew someone would say that... [14:35] T&T-leader will post a poll ;) [14:35] perhaps they meant boisson [14:35] moves done [14:35] = drink [14:35] boisson = drink [14:35] which is drink [14:35] I'm glad we agree, ladies. [14:36] yep! [14:36] End of Turn 1, 420 AD [14:36] Tax 80 Lux 20 [14:36] 1137 gold plus 78 [14:37] feuda due in 15 [14:37] HAs the road to dyes finished ? [14:37] actually, any thought to rushing the temple in Acheron and the library in Mr. R's? [14:37] RM - on more tile needs to be roaded [14:37] *one [14:37] ok. Cashrush is good [14:37] I think we should put 1 more city 3 west of Cijam, then concentrate on the other areas... [14:37] the rushes would be about 225 each [14:38] then our expansion is finally done. [14:38] considering the huge cost of the to be rushed cathedral, we might save some money... [14:38] we do need culture there [14:38] they were Bab cities, close to Babylon. We indeed need culture there [14:38] actually, I will wait to see the cost of the Cath in Groton [14:38] sounds good [14:38] good idea [14:38] it's around 600 [14:39] build 1 turn then cashrush it in Groton. [14:39] ok, 600 plus 500 for these two cities would leave us 37 gold (+ 78 per turn) [14:39] pffff [14:39] that ain't much [14:39] wait 1 turn zorven [14:39] ok, hitting enter [14:41] IBT: [14:42] (missed this one) Mure riots [14:42] cijam: settler -> Settler [14:42] New Falcon's Haven: granary -> galley [14:42] Now turn 2 [14:42] moving units and stuff.... [14:44] tension is building ..... [14:44] Now, should I propose a tight build in the desert? ;) *watches the demogame gasp in horror* [14:45] *gasp* [14:45] lol [14:45] moves done [14:45] Knowing that the demogame likes very loose builds... [14:45] looser than OCP sometimes. [14:45] cathedral in groton rushed [14:45] for 608 [14:45] l o o s e [14:45] incredible... [14:46] leave some cash for incense (if we need it) [14:46] CT: 20 tiles apart isn't loose ! [14:46] l o o o s e [14:46] I think I will rush the temple in Acheron only (220 gold) for now [14:46] l o o o 0 0 [14:46] Acheron's more likely to flip of the 2 [14:47] *** Chieftess wonders how far away her city name is [14:47] Tight - OCP - loose - DG is that what you mean CT ? [14:48] What do you mean? :p [14:48] 39 cities CT. I mean denseness in city building. [14:48] I meant that the demogame doesn't like a lot of overlap. [14:49] i.e., you won't find 2 cities within each other's radius. [14:49] Even though it's size 12 for 2/3 of the game. [14:49] Furiey: Acheron's more likely to flip of the 2 [14:49] so we should hurry in Acheron? [14:50] IS the lux connected zorven ? [14:50] http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=1686606#post1686606 [14:50] vote = yes ;) [14:50] RM: no [14:50] what is our gpt and our treasury ? [14:50] 607 gold and 75 gpt [14:50] Hey, you aren't using -my- flip calc! :p [14:50] I am fine with rushing, if we have enough left for incense. [14:50] ggot it through your thread - lost track of which one I got though! [14:50] rushing temple in Acheron.... [14:51] for 220 [14:51] you got annares. [14:51] End of Turn 2, 430 AD [14:51] Tax 80, Lux 20 [14:51] ok [14:51] Anerres, Dave and I were Culture Calc trend setters. :) [14:51] 387 gold +75 [14:51] Feuda due in 14 [14:51] enter in 10 [14:51] Which Dave ? [14:51] interesting discussions [14:51] DaveMcW [14:52] zorven: can you check if any civs have no techs ? [14:52] He made a java version. [14:52] no = new [14:52] sure [14:52] and where's the Indian Warrior going? [14:52] germany up monarchy [14:52] same for russia [14:52] already was in 410AD. [14:52] I conclude: no new techs. [14:52] same for egypt [14:53] same for greece [14:53] babylon even [14:53] india down monotheism [14:53] *** RikMeleet has a cunning plan. Blockade Egypt's Buto (in our lands). they cant ship out their wines any more. ::) [14:54] Indian Warrior: heading south towards Santa Lucia [14:54] You mean, "our" wines? :) [14:54] "enter" [14:54] nice idea later perhaps. ... [14:54] ok thanks zorven. [14:54] definitely our wines - the amount Fanatica gets through! [14:55] Muisc Update "Het leven is kut - De Thuisband" [14:55] ? [14:55] CT: don't try to translate ir. ... [14:55] It generally means : Life sucks. [14:55] that might give a strange translation... [14:56] LOL [14:56] De Thuisband: a good local band. [14:56] IBT: [14:57] Groton: cath -> FP (23) [14:57] Acheron: temple -> ? [14:57] I guess library [14:57] Now turn 3 [14:57] Place Groton on as many shield tiles as possible [14:57] he can't [14:58] I can for the new citizen [14:58] Music Update "Wer Bisto ? - Twarres" It seems we are in a dutch music day. [14:58] shields is the best [14:58] *** Chieftess sees what Rik means after translating the last word. :p [14:58] also IBT: russian settler pair heading north, now approaching Yakutsk [14:58] CT: I didn't write the song or make the title. [14:59] Don't kick the messenger of "bad news" [14:59] and I guess the "Wer Bisto" has nothing to do with gravy [14:59] http://lookwayup.com/lwu.exe/lwu/toEng?sLang=Nld&w=Bisto&h=dictpage&s=d&b= [15:00] It can't find Bisto. :) [15:00] it;s not dutch. It's frisian. [15:00] Bisto = brand of gravy [15:00] possible: it ain't dutch [15:00] It means Where are you - Wer Bisto ? [15:00] "Where's the Gravy?" [15:00] :D [15:00] Rolling On The Floor Laughing [15:01] rotfl [15:01] That would be something. Such a song with the title " Where is the Gravy" ? [15:02] "Where's the beef?" [15:02] That was a quote from the 80s [15:03] Music Update "Ode to joy - Beethoven" I don't know what my RNG is up to. [15:03] moves and mm done [15:03] *** RikMeleet wouldn't be surprised if "NEC-clublied" was to be chosen by my WMP - RNG. [15:04] End of Turn 3, 440 AD [15:04] Tax 80 Lux 20 [15:04] Well, Groton just finished the Cathedral... [15:04] Maybe it'll finish JSBach's. [15:04] 462 gold +80 [15:04] or Sistine. [15:04] Feuda in 13 [15:04] enter in 10 [15:04] still no road connected ? [15:04] this IBT RM [15:05] *** RikMeleet hums "alle menschen werden brüder, aber nicht die rotmoffen" [15:05] "enter" [15:05] ok zorven [15:05] your RNG will be telling you to have patience next RM [15:05] Patience by G'nR is in the playlist .... [15:05] What's rotmoffen? (the only word I don't understand) [15:06] But also "hit the road jack" [15:06] CT: forget it [15:06] Music Update "Open - The Scene" indeed dutch night tonight. [15:06] lol [15:06] hehe [15:07] JD: do you know this song ? [15:07] CT: rotmoffen is not a very nice word describing German people. [15:07] originated in WW 2. [15:09] IBT: [15:09] It just perfectly fits the music of Beethoven's "Alle menschen werden brüder" [15:09] vo mimbre: horse - horse [15:09] RikMeleet: No.. [15:09] russian and indian immgrants like our open land. screen coming [15:10] http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/DG4_AD450AD_Immigrants.jpg [15:10] road to Mr. R's finished. [15:10] "Maar het blijft gesloten, en het rookt en zwijgt. En het blijft geloven, dat het onterecht is, de lafaard nooit iets krijgt. Dat het onterecht is. Ik zeg: Open open open moet het zijn" [15:10] Now turn 4 [15:10] wait [15:10] They probably want to build where the workers are [15:11] Trade incense for some dyes with Greece (+ cash if you have to) [15:11] you've got use of military, can you block them? [15:11] can't get the screenie up at the moment... [15:11] Is that our next settler spot? [15:11] yes, I have military [15:11] CT, no [15:12] Music Update "Papa - Stef Bos" Guess what ? again dutch. [15:12] Also, see the miner in the north of that screenshot? Build a road south from their if the Russians build a city [15:12] . [15:13] I am going to move that fort warrior on the mount onto the road as well [15:13] T&T - trade incense for dyes with Greece !! !! [15:13] lol [15:13] impatient RM? [15:13] yes [15:13] Guns and Roses [15:13] ok, here we go.... [15:13] Sweet child of mine ? [15:14] *** Chieftess thinks Rik is going through Incense withdrawl. :p [15:14] *** RikMeleet is addicted to incense. [15:14] lol [15:14]