#Demogame Log for 07/30/03 [20:28] [20:28] *** donsig (donsig@9b184f5.3d716d1f.lib.rochester.edu) 4[joined] #demogame. [20:28] [20:28] *** Falcon02 4[voices] [20:28] <+Bacon> hi donsig [20:28] <+donsig> hi [20:29] <+donsig> ready to play? [20:29] <+donsig> anyone here that can log? [20:29] <+donsig> brb [20:29] [20:29] *** donsig (donsig@9b184f5.3d716d1f.lib.rochester.edu) 4[left] #demogame. [20:30] [20:30] *** donsig (donsig@9b184f5.3d716d1f.lib.rochester.edu) 4[joined] #demogame. [20:30] [20:30] *** Falcon02 4[voices] [20:30] [20:30] *** Mafioso 4[ops] donsig [20:30] <+Bacon> falc always logs IIRC [20:30] <@Falcon02> yeah [20:30] <@donsig> I tried logging last time and it didn't work :( [20:31] <@Falcon02> bacon, it seems I don't have permission to edit topic, that or I'm doing something wrong [20:31] <@Falcon02> donsig, using DSPII makes it rather easy [20:32] <+Bacon> agree [20:34] <+Bacon> so, are we going to play now? [20:34] <@donsig> yep [20:34] <+Bacon> ok then [20:34] <@donsig> logging now General? [20:35] <+Bacon> quite a small turnout here..... [20:35] <@Falcon02> always do [20:35] <@Falcon02> if I'm here I'm logging [20:35] <@donsig> ok [20:36] <@donsig> science instructions - nothing to do here - we are already set to printing press [20:36] [20:36] *** cyc (jirc@a8c8d76.1413884c.da.qwest.net) 4[joined] #demogame. [20:36] [20:36] *** Falcon02 4[voices] [20:36] <@Falcon02> hey cyc [20:36] <+Bacon> hey [20:37] <@Falcon02> ouch, not very many instructions this time round [20:37] <+Bacon> notice cyc comes in as soon as you say science instructions, thats prompt service [20:38] <@donsig> just did military instructions :) [20:39] <@donsig> just idi Quirnial queues [20:39] <@donsig> that's the end of the instructions [20:39] <+cyc> hey falc, all [20:39] <+cyc> at your service :) [20:39] <+cyc> the net is sooo slow today.... [20:40] <@Falcon02> I hope the other provinces have long enough queues already in place? [20:40] <+cyc> k [20:40] <+Bacon> hope so [20:41] <+cyc> can we take GBM out and shoot him, Mr. President? [20:41] <@donsig> Changed Persian Landing to an aqueduct [20:42] <+Bacon> To everyone- good luck in all the elections you're in [20:43] <@donsig> leaving all other cities untouched [20:43] <+cyc> same to you Bacon. [20:44] * @Falcon02 wonders how well Civ III vanilla and PTW-DYP will run together... [20:44] <@Falcon02> thx Bacon [20:44] <+cyc> like sid meiers on drugs? [20:45] [20:45] *** d8575 (~jirc@1654620b.52eef1c.us.ibm.com) 4[joined] #demogame. [20:45] [20:45] *** Falcon02 4[voices] [20:45] <+Bacon> hi Dave [20:45] <+d8575> hi [20:45] <+cyc> hey DS [20:45] [20:45] *** d8575 has 4[morphed] into "DaveShack_working" [20:45] <@Falcon02> hey Dave [20:45] <+DaveShack_working> sorry about not having instructions posted in advance [20:45] <+DaveShack_working> at work and got slammed... [20:46] <@donsig> preturn save posted [20:46] <@donsig> anything the domestic advisor would like to recommend for the pre-turn? [20:46] <+DaveShack_working> there was a lot of talk about moving some workers to Memphis if we're still on a wonder there [20:46] <@donsig> would someone check the save I posted? [20:47] <+cyc> did we get Workers up to Memphis to build mines? [20:47] <@donsig> can't do that on pre-turn Dave - but I think I already have some headed that way IIRC [20:47] <+DaveShack_working> ok [20:47] <+cyc> cool. I was late on that one. :) [20:47] <+DaveShack_working> couldn't get the save last time I had the chance -- server down [20:48] <+DaveShack_working> and no civ now :( [20:48] <@donsig> end of preturn: 920 AD, 861g, +13gpt, printing press in 5 turns, 1.9.0 [20:48] <@donsig> pressing enter [20:48] <+cyc> k [20:48] <@Falcon02> ok [20:48] <+cyc> Damn I forgot [20:49] <+cyc> Can you cjange the Worker by Gorina to irrigate the reg Mined Grassland? [20:49] <@donsig> not much to report... [20:49] <+cyc> not the bonus grassland but the regular [20:50] <+cyc> it shouldn't be irrigating the plains tile, as that will never be used if we don't do the grassland first. [20:52] <+cyc> the pre-turn save works [20:52] <@donsig> thanks [20:53] <+cyc> did you change the worker? [20:54] <@donsig> yes [20:55] <@donsig> China has gunpowder now [20:55] <+cyc> ty [20:55] <@donsig> end of turn 1: 930 AD, 874g, +13gpt, printing press in 4 turns, 1.9.0 [20:55] <@donsig> pressing enter [20:55] <+cyc> k [20:56] <@donsig> not much to report again - saw a couple Egyptian knights riding around... [20:58] <@Falcon02> sounds like this may be a quiet t/c [20:58] <@Falcon02> see if you can spot 'em when our turn is up [20:59] <@donsig> those knights were just running around inside Egypt... [20:59] <@Falcon02> ok [20:59] <@donsig> end of turn 3: 940 AD, 887g, +13gpt, printing press in 3t turns, 1.9.0 [20:59] <@donsig> pressing enter [21:00] <+cyc> how about those workers in Memphis? [21:02] <@donsig> some just arrived in the vicinity [21:02] <@donsig> we just lost some income... [21:03] <+cyc> k, did you take the mines north of Memphis away from River Croossing? [21:03] <+cyc> and the ones W, NW of Memphis too [21:04] <@donsig> took one Cyc [21:04] <@donsig> Memphis lost WLTKD on turn 1 [21:05] <+cyc> good thing we got them a Cathedral [21:05] <@donsig> Germany now has gunpowder and astronomy... [21:05] <+cyc> the tile SW of memphis and SW, S of Memphis can go to the new mines [21:06] <+cyc> let River Crossing starve down 1 level. [21:06] <+cyc> we need the mines for Memphis' [21:07] <@donsig> What is the point of starving River Crossing? [21:07] <+cyc> that's not the point donsig [21:07] <+cyc> the point is all mines to Memphis [21:07] <+cyc> RC is only a size 4 and will not get any bigger [21:07] <@Falcon02> so move the laborer from the grassland to the hill [21:07] <+cyc> it can shrink a level [21:08] <+cyc> bingo [21:08] <@Falcon02> it'll starve, but that's not the reason for it [21:08] <@Falcon02> makes sence [21:08] <+cyc> ty falc [21:08] [21:08] *** Bootstoots (bootstoots@3d344119.20db5883.hanover.edu) 4[joined] #demogame. [21:08] [21:08] *** Falcon02 4[voices] [21:08] <@Falcon02> np [21:08] <@Falcon02> hey Boots [21:08] <@donsig> ok [21:08] <+Bacon> BOOTS!!!!! [21:08] <+cyc> hey boots [21:09] <@donsig> we've got bigger problems than a mine near Memphis [21:09] <+Bootstoots> BACON!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [21:09] <+Bootstoots> hey cyc [21:09] <+Bootstoots> hey Falc [21:09] <@donsig> we're at minus 30gpt and the Germans have astronomy [21:10] <+Bootstoots> aahhh...last turnchat of the term, are we in the preturn? [21:10] <@Falcon02> why we at -30? [21:10] <+cyc> how did that happen? [21:10] <+Bacon> whats our treasury? [21:10] <@Falcon02> no, much later on Boots [21:10] <@donsig> we have 900g [21:10] <+cyc> goto 80% SciRate [21:10] <@Falcon02> turn 3-4 [21:10] <+cyc> oh, OK [21:10] <+DaveShack_working> a prior trade ended [21:10] <@Falcon02> ah, that would do it [21:10] <@donsig> one of our tech paychecks must have ended [21:10] <+cyc> we can do -30gpt [21:10] <+cyc> hehe [21:10] <@donsig> yeah Cyc, but the Germans have astronomy [21:11] <+DaveShack_working> will we be the only ones with print? [21:11] <+cyc> then you best get all the mines working you can at Memphis, shouldn't you? [21:11] [21:11] *** Mara_Jade ([LL]90973@38be9aca.27ad84c0.da.uu.net) 4[joined] #Demogame. [21:11] [21:11] *** Falcon02 4[voices] [21:11] [21:11] *** Mafioso 4[ops] Mara_Jade [21:11] <@Mara_Jade> 3° "There's your twice of nothing. Enjoy it." - Mara Jade 3° [21:11] <@Mara_Jade> 12° "You don't leave an enemy at your back. Not if you like living." - Mara Jade 12° [21:11] <+Bootstoots> MJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [21:11] <+Bacon> MJ! [21:11] * @Mara_Jade walks in [21:11] <@donsig> we can sell it before Germany does and probably pick up Chinese furs and gunpowder [21:11] <@Falcon02> so, move the laborer and speed up the Observatory [21:11] <@Falcon02> hmm.... [21:12] <@Mara_Jade> What Turn are we on? [21:12] <@donsig> I moved the laborer and it does not speed up anything (other than the starvatin of River Crossing) [21:12] <@Falcon02> turn 4 [21:12] <+cyc> soon we should have 8 mines going in Memphis [21:12] <@Falcon02> preturn shows it saves 1 turn [21:12] <+Bootstoots> turn 4 and the chat's only been going for only 45 minutes or so? [21:12] <+Bacon> yea [21:12] <+cyc> fast turns [21:12] <@donsig> hmmm... China also has astronomy [21:12] <@Mara_Jade> CYC!!!!! [21:12] <+DaveShack_working> 2-3 "not much to report" goes quick [21:13] <+cyc> I'm tellin' ya... [21:13] <+Bootstoots> ok [21:13] <+Bacon> It was very lonely earlier, just me, falc, and donsig [21:13] * @Falcon02 is tempted to say trade Astronomy [21:13] <+DaveShack_working> does anyone have printing press yet> [21:13] <+Bootstoots> well, how much do we get for trading Astronomy? [21:13] * @Mara_Jade walks in and only 2 people said Hi to the Vice President [21:13] <+cyc> hey MJ [21:13] <@Mara_Jade> 3rd :) [21:13] <+Bootstoots> I said MJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [21:13] <@Falcon02> hi MJ, sorry was busy in the discussion [21:13] <+DaveShack_working> thought the vp was "cg" :):) [21:13] <@Mara_Jade> Boots - I counted you [21:14] <+Bootstoots> yeah, your husband is VP, not you :p [21:14] <@donsig> no one has printing press yet [21:14] <+cyc> cool [21:14] <@Mara_Jade> Bah [21:14] <+DaveShack_working> we should be 2 turns away? I'd say go negative and then try to sell it [21:14] <@donsig> we can lower the science rate anotch and still get printing press in 2 turns @ -5gpt [21:15] <+cyc> on second thought we shouldn't revolt until after the completion of this Wonder. [21:15] <+DaveShack_working> cool [21:15] * @Mara_Jade has declared herself VP ;D [21:15] <+DaveShack_working> cyc, your thoughts on trading astronomy to all we're able to? [21:15] <@Falcon02> cyc, of course, anarchy during wonder builds are rarely a good thing unless you're on chieftain [21:15] <+cyc> if that's our best bet, then do it. [21:16] <+cyc> what was our last Anarchy Period? 3 turns? [21:16] <@Mara_Jade> hmm [21:16] <@Falcon02> don't know but it was pretty short [21:17] <+DaveShack_working> i think it might be a RNG thing? [21:17] <@donsig> Xerxes will give TM, gumpowder, 11g and 5gpt for astronomy [21:17] <+cyc> it was pretty short [21:17] <@Falcon02> Dave, there have been studies, there is a science to it, though I don't know the factors [21:17] <@Falcon02> I think size is a big factor [21:17] <+cyc> I don't understand why we can play a religious tribe. :( [21:17] <@Falcon02> civ size [21:18] <@Falcon02> "can't" you mean ? [21:18] <+cyc> yes [21:18] <+cyc> typo [21:18] [21:18] *** SaaMiPod (~jirc@246a3fd8.3cbc6b2b.nyc.rr.com) 4[joined] #demogame. [21:18] [21:18] *** Falcon02 4[voices] [21:18] <+cyc> must be this beer [21:18] <@donsig> Greece will give gunpowder and a little gold - but no gpt [21:18] <+SaaMiPod> thanks [21:18] <@Mara_Jade> STUCK!!!!! [21:18] <+cyc> hey stuck [21:18] <+Bacon> hey Stuck [21:18] <+SaaMiPod> hey [21:18] <+DaveShack_working> how's the pod? [21:18] <@Falcon02> DG4, "Time to give those Underhanded Babylonians some Honor!" ;) [21:18] <@Falcon02> hey stuck [21:18] <+cyc> who else, donsig? [21:19] <@donsig> we could do the Greek trade then see how much cash Persia will give for astronomy [21:19] <+cyc> yeah [21:19] <+SaaMiPod> how goes it? [21:19] <@donsig> I think they were the ones paying us before for tech... [21:19] <@Falcon02> Donsig, check around first [21:19] <+cyc> we need to check everyone [21:19] <+SaaMiPod> is their ANY chance of a cascade [21:19] <@donsig> Checked everyone [21:19] <+cyc> only two? [21:19] <+SaaMiPod> is their? [21:19] <@Falcon02> what will Persia give now? [21:19] <+cyc> responded? [21:19] <@donsig> Gernamy is the only other one with gunpowder and they already have astronomy [21:20] <@donsig> China also has astronomy [21:20] <+cyc> i don't know Stuck [21:20] <@donsig> well, let me make the Greek trade first... [21:20] <+DaveShack_working> u checking tech/tech only, or others? [21:20] <@Falcon02> so Greece are the only ones with the tech to give? okay [21:20] <@Falcon02> go for it [21:20] <+cyc> what would they be cascading from? [21:20] <@Falcon02> .. hmm... [21:20] <+SaaMiPod> President Donsig, is their any chance anyone can cascade [21:21] <@donsig> ok, gave astronomy to Alex for gunpowder, WM and 4g [21:21] <@Falcon02> @ cyc Leo's maybe Sun Tzu [21:21] <@donsig> yes Saam - but the astronomy cat is already out of the bag [21:21] <@Falcon02> better to trad eit now for a profit then get nothing for it [21:22] <+cyc> Stuck, there are 7 nations build AoW and 7 building Leo's. Any of them could switch. [21:22] <+SaaMiPod> might as well [21:22] <+Bootstoots> a little late, but: [21:22] <+Bootstoots> STUCK!!!!!!!!!!! [21:22] <+SaaMiPod> have those been built yet? [21:22] <+cyc> no [21:23] <+cyc> that's what I mean by switch [21:23] <+SaaMiPod> g2g [21:23] [21:23] *** SaaMiPod has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [21:23] <+cyc> that's why we need those mines. [21:24] <@donsig> well Cyc, if we hadn't switched Memphis to that cathedral.... [21:24] <@donsig> Xerxes will pay WM, 14g and 7gpt [21:24] <@donsig> for astronomy [21:24] <+cyc> take it if you've already sold it to others [21:24] <@donsig> done [21:25] <@Falcon02> ~sigh~ I hate such skimpy deals [21:25] <+DaveShack_working> greece for one ;) [21:25] <+cyc> I hate selling Techs :( [21:25] <@donsig> end of turn 4: 950 AD, 918g, +2gpt, printing press in 2 turns, 2.8.0 [21:25] <@donsig> pressing enter [21:25] <+cyc> how about those workers? [21:25] <@Falcon02> I hate selling techs to Wonders we're gunning for [21:25] <@donsig> Bismark wants banking... [21:26] <+cyc> we need to have 11 mines total working in Memphis real soon [21:26] <@Falcon02> demanding? [21:26] <+DaveShack_working> in the form of a donation? [21:26] <@donsig> oh yeah [21:26] <+DaveShack_working> in with a bang.... [21:26] <+cyc> give it to him [21:26] <+Bootstoots> we're about to be at war with Bismarck? [21:26] <+Bootstoots> if we don't give him banking? [21:27] <@donsig> Bizzy just got astronomy - he's got no navy to come over here [21:27] <+Bootstoots> give it to him anyway [21:27] <+cyc> are you sure? [21:27] <+Bootstoots> how do you know? [21:27] <@donsig> all our neighbors are without horses except Egypt who gets them from us [21:27] <@donsig> I've been checking every turn to see what they all have [21:27] <@Falcon02> Germany is liable to declare war, he isn't on good relations with us... [21:27] <@Falcon02> I'd advise not giving in though [21:27] <@donsig> and Germany is the most powerful nation [21:28] <+cyc> we can't use a war now [21:28] <@Falcon02> we can get peace before he get's here [21:28] <+Bootstoots> what if we held an informal spot vote? [21:28] <@Falcon02> hopefully [21:28] <@donsig> no Boots [21:28] <+Bootstoots> that would be against the Donsig Covenant, right? [21:28] <+cyc> give it to him [21:28] [21:28] *** Bacon has quit IRC (Quit: brother needs to use computer) [21:28] <@donsig> right Boots [21:28] <+Bootstoots> if most of the other civs have banking, give it to him [21:28] <@Falcon02> He may be powerful but the most he can do is pester us [21:28] <@donsig> I don't think anyone else has it [21:29] <@Falcon02> or at least that's my thoughts on it [21:29] <+cyc> war wou;ld kill the wonder [21:29] <@Falcon02> ... true [21:29] <+Bootstoots> well, then, it's your call [21:29] <+Bootstoots> what wonder? [21:29] <@Falcon02> but we've got Monarchy... no warriness [21:29] <+Bootstoots> copernicus? [21:29] <@Falcon02> yeah [21:29] <+DaveShack_working> would it actually matter? in Monarchy being at war gives me more wltkd... [21:29] <+cyc> true [21:30] <@Falcon02> yeah, he declares the war, we're lible to get more happiness [21:30] <+Bootstoots> we don't have much of a chance of copernicus, do we? [21:30] <@donsig> no Boots [21:30] <@donsig> we did until we switched Memphis to a cathedral [21:30] <+cyc> we may get it [21:30] <+Bootstoots> well, then it's your call [21:31] <+cyc> if we get those damned mines up we can do it [21:31] <@donsig> we also got rid of The Line awhile back... [21:31] <@Falcon02> might I suggest we use some of our money to do some investigation? (something for the forums though, not now) [21:31] <+DaveShack_working> it's such a pain you can't look around with a demand on the table... [21:31] <@donsig> if we give the Germans banking we could also try getting those furs from Mao for banking... [21:32] <+Bootstoots> we got rid of the Line? [21:32] <@donsig> yes Boots [21:32] <@Falcon02> yes, boots, I ordered it scrambled [21:32] <+cyc> we didn't need it [21:32] <+Bootstoots> good [21:32] <@Falcon02> only 3 Tiles to protect now, which could easily be protected by 3 units if needed then 11 [21:32] <+DaveShack_working> any remaining undefended? [21:32] <+Bootstoots> i didn't like it anyway [21:32] <@donsig> I am inclined to give into this demand [21:32] <+DaveShack_working> cities that is? [21:33] <+cyc> good donsig [21:33] <@donsig> one or two undefended - legions on the way to those though [21:33] <@Falcon02> had orders to fill in the last of 'em, gonna be a few turns till they all have garrisons though [21:33] <@Falcon02> yeah [21:33] <@donsig> this is more like the Egyptian war we were unprepared for than the Aztec war at the start of this term [21:34] <@donsig> just wish I knew the odds of the Germans declaring war if we refused... [21:34] <@Falcon02> Donsig, I don't like giving into demands... but it's your call, anyway if we're planning on releasing Banking anyway... we might as well [21:34] <@Falcon02> yeah [21:34] <+Bootstoots> probably pretty high [21:34] <@Falcon02> they're annoyed preturn so I'd say high [21:34] <@Falcon02> esp. since they're powerful [21:34] <+DaveShack_working> the only time the German's don't war on a refusal [21:34] <+cyc> more than us? [21:34] <@donsig> I didn ot want to let bankning go but... [21:34] <+DaveShack_working> is when you are strong compared to them [21:35] <+DaveShack_working> and then they don't ask ;) [21:35] <+cyc> ;) [21:35] <@donsig> I'm giving in to the SOBs [21:35] <@donsig> then I will sell banking to China for furs [21:35] <+cyc> you wimp donsig :lol: j/k [21:36] <@Mara_Jade> lol [21:36] <@Falcon02> gives us an excuse to trade though.... [21:36] <@donsig> Neapolis build a market and starts a granary [21:36] <@Falcon02> wish it was on our terms though.... ~grumble~ [21:36] <@donsig> no, not granary - an aqueduct [21:37] <@donsig> River Crossing builds a temple and startsa market [21:37] <@donsig> Babs are building Babch's [21:38] <+cyc> is that why they call it Babch's? [21:38] <@donsig> yep [21:38] <@Mara_Jade> ??? [21:38] <@donsig> Egypt built a city on the Peninsula :( [21:38] <+cyc> :) [21:39] * @Falcon02 never new Bach had Bab ancestry..... [21:39] <+cyc> Bach always was a big Ham [21:40] <@Falcon02> later on I want Cleo in our Dungeons..... [21:40] <@Falcon02> but not now [21:40] * @Mara_Jade notices that I still have a "Vote for CG 4 Prez" button [21:41] <+cyc> I will take it MJ [21:41] <+cyc> This is CG's Term [21:41] * @Mara_Jade hands Cyc a button [21:41] <@Mara_Jade> :D [21:41] <@donsig> Germany has music theory [21:42] <@donsig> China has music theory [21:43] <@donsig> Persia has music theory and banking [21:43] <@Falcon02> now might be a good time to trade banking... [21:43] <@Falcon02> wait, shouldn't Germany have our Banking? [21:43] <+DaveShack_working> pop into powerbar, gift us a knight per town, and then demand music from Germany 8) j/k [21:44] <+DaveShack_working> if we have it, doesn't show on their list ;) [21:44] <+cyc> Printing Press in 1? [21:44] <@donsig> yes [21:44] <+cyc> Can we lower the SciRate? [21:44] <@Falcon02> cyc, when we start on Economics? [21:44] <@donsig> Mao will give us music theory, WM, 37g and 18gpt for bankning [21:45] <@Falcon02> take it... [21:45] <+cyc> yes [21:45] <@donsig> took it [21:45] <+cyc> Falc, economics follows Democracy [21:45] <@donsig> can't lower sci rate [21:45] <@Falcon02> ... I'd rather if we end up missing out on the Observatory that we go for smith's [21:46] <+cyc> really? [21:46] <@Falcon02> yeah, Smith's can save us alot of $$$ [21:46] <+cyc> to donsig, not falc [21:46] <@donsig> end of turn 5: oops - pressed enter! [21:46] <@Mara_Jade> $_$ [21:46] <@Falcon02> oh [21:46] <@Mara_Jade> DONSIG!!! [21:46] <@donsig> will have to have a turn 6 save this time [21:46] <@donsig> well, we have printing press [21:46] * @Falcon02 isn't a big fan of Cultural wonders anyway... don't know why [21:46] <@donsig> democracy is next, I think [21:47] <+cyc> the mines are probably all meesed up too [21:47] <@donsig> GBC builds courthouse and starts a library [21:47] <+DaveShack_working> mines messed up? [21:47] <@donsig> Babs are building Copernicus.... [21:47] <@donsig> ... so is Russia [21:47] <@donsig> Japan is building Sun Tzu [21:48] <@Falcon02> Donsig, what are the cities? I'll look on preturn and see if they switched from old builds [21:48] <@Falcon02> when you have the chance of course.... [21:48] <@donsig> Gorina built a cathedral [21:49] <@donsig> well General I'll be posting a new save in a minute... [21:49] <+cyc> good [21:49] <@Falcon02> okay... [21:49] <@Falcon02> but it's hard to switch back and forth between saves like that.... [21:49] <@donsig> btw, we have altpeter connected... [21:49] <@Falcon02> unless I could find a way to load up a second instance of Civ III vanilla [21:50] <+DaveShack_working> 2nd computer ;) [21:50] <+cyc> where? [21:50] <@Falcon02> same computer... [21:50] <@Falcon02> yeah same comps' not gonna work [21:51] <+cyc> you mean by trade [21:51] <@Falcon02> sees the running instance and says... "Why'd you try to run me again?" [21:51] <+DaveShack_working> and if you're lucky it won't have corrupted the memory map [21:51] <@Falcon02> Windows does a good job of that on it's own [21:52] <@donsig> hey, wait, this is turn 5... [21:52] <+cyc> :) [21:52] <@Falcon02> well, guess that means we can't impeach you for tardiness ;) [21:53] <+cyc> darn it. [21:53] <+DaveShack_working> would have been interesting if you started the chat tomorrow night ;) [21:53] <+DaveShack_working> instead of tonight -- what do you do when the term changes in mid turn? [21:53] <@donsig> turn 5 save posted [21:53] <+cyc> all hell would have broken loose [21:54] <@donsig> end of turn 5: 970 AD, 976g, -9gpt, democracy oin 9 turns, 1.9.0 [21:54] <@donsig> I raised the science rate up a notch [21:55] <@donsig> pressig enter... [21:55] <+cyc> good [21:55] <@Falcon02> Bab Build is new (no previous wonder) [21:55] <+cyc> k [21:55] [21:55] *** Padma has 4[morphed] into "Padma-Away" [21:55] * +Padma-Away has left the Chat. Reason: [checking grandkids - brb] [21:55] <@Falcon02> same with Russia [21:55] <@donsig> Xak Tsaroth builds market and starts granary [21:55] <@Falcon02> thought they're liable to switch when someone get's Sun Tzu [21:56] <@donsig> bootia builds temple and starts aqueduct [21:56] <@donsig> New Jedina builds cathedral and starts a harbor [21:56] <@donsig> Chieftess builds a temple and starts a harbor [21:56] <@donsig> the Aztecs are buildig bachs [21:57] <@donsig> so are the Persians [21:57] [21:57] *** ravensfire (~ravensfir@31b34b44.1b4962bd.bestdsl.net) 4[joined] #demogame. [21:57] [21:57] *** Mafioso 4[voices] [21:58] <+cyc> hey ravensfire [21:58] <@Falcon02> hey raven [21:58] <+ravensfire> evening all [21:59] <+Bootstoots> hi ravensfire [21:59] <+cyc> everyone has Banking and Astronomy [21:59] [21:59] *** DX_Zoi (jirc@3d6b14e3.384863c2.Chicago1.Level3.net) 4[joined] #demogame. [21:59] [21:59] *** Falcon02 4[voices] [21:59] <@Mara_Jade> DZ!!!!!! [21:59] <+cyc> we have Gunpowder [21:59] <+ravensfire> Hiya Boots [22:00] <+cyc> hey DZ [22:00] <@donsig> maintaining science @90% will give us a deficit of -14gpt [22:00] <+Bootstoots> DZ!!!!!!!!! [22:00] * @Mara_Jade hands DZ a "Vote for CivGeneral 4 President" Button [22:00] <+cyc> good [22:00] <+DX_Zoi> hi gang :D [22:00] <@donsig> hi DZ [22:00] <@donsig> Copernicus is 13 turns away [22:00] <+DX_Zoi> hey donsig [22:00] <+cyc> long time no see, DZ [22:00] <@Mara_Jade> *ahem* [22:01] <@Mara_Jade> Did you forget someone DZ? [22:01] * @Mara_Jade hands DZ a "Vote for CivGeneral 4 President" Button [22:01] <+DX_Zoi> yes, I know, Cyc [22:01] <@Falcon02> hey DZ [22:01] <+cyc> I know Cyc too :) [22:01] <+DX_Zoi> Sorry, CG....hello, Boots! ;D [22:02] <+Bootstoots> ;) [22:02] <@donsig> lowering scir a notch gets us +12gpt and democracy in 9 turns instead of 8 [22:02] <+DX_Zoi> and hello, CG [22:02] * @Mara_Jade should get a Big poster with "Hello DZ from CivGeneral and Mara Jade!!!!" written on it [22:02] <+cyc> what yer is it donsig? [22:02] <+DX_Zoi> 2003? [22:02] <+cyc> hehe [22:02] <+DX_Zoi> sorry.. [22:03] <@Mara_Jade> DZ - Here is my "Vote for CivGeneral for President" Button :D [22:03] <@donsig> 980 AD [22:03] <+cyc> ty [22:03] <@donsig> I'm lowering the science rate to 80% [22:03] <+DX_Zoi> Thanks, CG [22:03] <+cyc> that wouldn't be turn 6? [22:04] * +DX_Zoi puts button in pocket [22:04] <+DX_Zoi> lol [22:04] <@donsig> end of turn 6: 980 AD, 967g, +12gpt, democracy in 9 turns, 2.8.0 [22:04] <@donsig> pressing enter [22:04] <@Mara_Jade> DZ - You are suppost to wear the button [22:04] <+cyc> i wouldn't [22:04] <@donsig> we lost our gems [22:04] <+cyc> we have almost a thousand gold [22:04] <@donsig> it's one turn cyc [22:05] <+cyc> k [22:05] <@donsig> Russia wants horses and printing press for gems [22:05] <+cyc> just horses? [22:05] <+cyc> or tell her no [22:05] <+cyc> maybe gold? [22:05] <+cyc> but not PP [22:05] <@donsig> or we could give her horses and music theory [22:06] <@Falcon02> yeah a tech is too much for just a single lux [22:06] <@donsig> but we have many WLTKD goingnow... [22:06] <+cyc> what's the lowest gold? [22:06] <@donsig> and Chinese furs are too expensive and the Babs must not have a harbor [22:06] <+cyc> we have plenty of that [22:06] <+DX_Zoi> why don't we want gems? [22:07] <+cyc> dunno. maybe we don't need them? [22:07] <@donsig> horses and 20g [22:07] <@donsig> is that better? [22:07] <+cyc> very cool [22:08] <+cyc> yessir [22:08] <@donsig> ok, we'll do that [22:08] <@donsig> Cleo wants to talk... [22:08] <+DX_Zoi> aha.I see what is going on now [22:08] <@donsig> she wants to trade WMs [22:09] <+cyc> tell me DZ [22:09] * +DX_Zoi makes note to re-enter the loop before asking silly questions... [22:09] <@donsig> I'll say no [22:09] <+cyc> I say no [22:09] <+DX_Zoi> no, its cool.you just didnt want to give away the tech [22:09] <@donsig> Aureus builds a cathedral and starts a university [22:09] <+DaveShack_working> i normally buy their tm for 1g to keep the traded flag set [22:09] <@donsig> Babylon has build Leo's.... [22:10] <@donsig> Persia cascades to Bachs... [22:10] <@donsig> Persia builds Bach's [22:10] <+cyc> bingo [22:10] <@donsig> China cascades to Sun Tzu... [22:10] <@donsig> ... and Copernicus [22:10] <@Falcon02> oh great [22:10] <@donsig> Russia cascades to Sun Tzu... [22:10] <@Falcon02> cyc you sure we can't go straight for Economics? [22:11] <@donsig> ... and Copernicus [22:12] <@donsig> Mayor Cyc... [22:12] <+DaveShack_working> if they send the one which was building leo's to sun tsu, we still have a chance [22:12] <@donsig> should I irrigate the other non-bonus mined grassland? [22:13] <+cyc> Copernicus' Ob is 400 gold, Smith's is 600 gold. the CO is still 12 turns awy from completion [22:13] <+cyc> just the two re grassland donsig [22:13] <+cyc> please [22:14] <+cyc> Smith's is 16 turns away [22:14] <@donsig> teo re grassland? [22:14] <+cyc> we have time for Democracy [22:14] <@Falcon02> hmm... true [22:14] <@Falcon02> :-( [22:14] <+cyc> I meant reg grassland [22:14] <+cyc> reg = regular [22:14] <+cyc> non bonus [22:15] <@donsig> ok [22:15] <+DaveShack_working> how many shields is memphis getting? [22:16] <@donsig> 21 with 5 wasted [22:17] <+cyc> that's not bad [22:17] <@donsig> end of turn 7, 990AD, 959g, +10gpt, democracy in 8 turns, 2.8.0 [22:17] <@donsig> pressing enter [22:18] <@donsig> klixus-Major builds library and starts market [22:18] <@donsig> greece is building Copernicus [22:18] <+cyc> are you mining those irrigated plains at Memphis? [22:18] <+cyc> you should [22:18] <@donsig> yes Cyc [22:18] [22:18] *** Padma-Away has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:18] <+cyc> ty [22:19] <@donsig> but we'd have had Copernicus by now if we hadn't built that Cathedral [22:19] <@donsig> Babs are building Copernicus [22:19] <+cyc> this is where you say Na-Na-Na-na donsig... [22:19] [22:19] *** Padma (~padma@4e929bd.89a6ad6.om.cox.net) 4[joined] #demogame. [22:19] [22:19] *** Falcon02 4[voices] [22:19] <+cyc> :) [22:19] <+Padma> 3° I have a voice! And it shall be heard! 3° [22:20] <@Mara_Jade> :) [22:20] <+cyc> hey Padma [22:20] <@Mara_Jade> GRANDPA!!!! [22:20] <+cyc> beer run [22:21] <+DX_Zoi> I'll throw in for a sixer [22:21] * @Mara_Jade watches as a can of Beer runs to Boots (boots) [22:22] <+cyc> Sorry DZ. I just got two 24 oz. cans :) [22:22] <@donsig> end of turn 8: 1000 AD!, 969g, +7gpt, democracy in 7 turns, 2.8.0 [22:22] <@donsig> pressing enter [22:22] <+cyc> cecond on just got cracked [22:22] <+cyc> k [22:23] <+DX_Zoi> wow, thirsty? [22:23] <+DX_Zoi> :D [22:23] <+cyc> I see this beer has effected my spelling... [22:23] <@Mara_Jade> O_O [22:23] <@donsig> Skunkworks built a market and starts a courthouse [22:23] <@donsig> and the people love me! [22:23] <@Mara_Jade> No Drinking and Civing at the same time!!! [22:23] <+DX_Zoi> are those beer goggles< Mara? [22:23] <@Mara_Jade> DZ - No [22:23] <@Mara_Jade> these are Aircraft Goggles [22:24] <+DX_Zoi> um, ok....... [22:24] <+cyc> like Joe Walsh? [22:24] <@Mara_Jade> *sigh* let me get my Picture [22:24] <+cyc> DZ two beers in more than two hours isn't bad [22:24] <@donsig> noshuret has built a university! [22:24] <@Falcon02> MJ, just be glad he's not DP [22:24] <+DX_Zoi> I could see Joe Walsh in those [22:25] <+DX_Zoi> O-O or how about Lennon? [22:25] <@donsig> they have started a bank (13 turns) [22:25] <+cyc> I have the "So What" album. [22:25] <+Bootstoots> imagine a DP that got drunk while DP'ing? [22:25] <+Bootstoots> how many PI's would be filed? [22:25] <+DX_Zoi> Why do you think I cut my chats so short?? [22:25] <+DX_Zoi> j/k [22:25] <+cyc> hey donsig can play drunk. I've seen him :) [22:25] <+Bootstoots> lol [22:26] <@donsig> hehe [22:26] <+cyc> :) [22:26] <@donsig> lowered the sci rate - democracy still in 6 turns [22:26] <@donsig> Remember Houston? [22:26] <+cyc> k [22:26] <+cyc> yeah [22:26] <+DaveShack_working> who ston? [22:27] <@donsig> we can rush a temple for 144g [22:27] <+Bootstoots> why do we keep American cities? [22:27] <+Bootstoots> what's the point? [22:27] * @Falcon02 remembers taking Houston in DG1 [22:27] <+Bootstoots> maybe we should set up a one-city province for it :D [22:27] <@Falcon02> and using Philly as a launching point against Washington [22:27] <@donsig> that was a LONG time ago General [22:27] <+cyc> remembers ravensfire reference to Houston inhis post [22:28] <+DaveShack_working> what's the flip calc for Houston? [22:28] <@donsig> don't know [22:28] <@Falcon02> ah, but I love the Nestalgia of those days (even if I can't spell it) [22:28] <+DaveShack_working> don't wanna pour money down the drain unnecessarily... [22:28] <@Falcon02> and that was Term 1 DG1 IIRC [22:28] <+cyc> can we gift it? For a lux? [22:28] <+ravensfire> lol cyc [22:28] <+DaveShack_working> now there's an idea [22:29] <+cyc> Yes, Falc. Those were the days.... [22:29] * @Mara_Jade looks for a picture of herself with the hoddie and the Goggles [22:30] <@Mara_Jade> IE what CYc called the Desert Drab Mara [22:30] <+cyc> That pith helmet pic was great, MJ [22:30] <+cyc> I really like that lpic [22:30] <@Mara_Jade> Alright who has taken my wallet!!!? [22:30] <@donsig> the AI won't trade stuff for cities [22:31] <+cyc> see there's goes my fat finger again [22:31] <+cyc> really [22:31] <@donsig> well, end of turn 9, 1010 AD, 976g, +35gpt, democracy in 6 turns, 3.7.0 [22:31] <+Bootstoots> what about in peace renegotiation? [22:31] <+Bootstoots> for city deals? [22:31] <@donsig> pressing enter for the last time in term 3... [22:31] <+cyc> drumroll.... [22:32] <+cyc> cymbol... [22:32] <+Bootstoots> the ceremonius: SMASH THE BUTTON!!!!!!! [22:32] * @Mara_Jade whips the Button [22:32] <@donsig> Xerxes wants to renew our peace deal [22:32] <@donsig> I'll tell him 'OK' [22:32] [22:32] *** ShangMan (ShangMan@adsl-204-12-85-12.ma.us.rogers.com) 4[joined] #demogame. [22:32] [22:32] *** Mara_Jade 4[voices] [22:32] <+cyc> sure [22:32] <+cyc> hey ShangMan [22:33] <+Bootstoots> kick the bot! [22:33] <+Bootstoots> or make me a temporary halfop and let me do it :D [22:33] <@donsig> Tyvek builds granary and starts a market [22:33] <@Mara_Jade> OK [22:33] * @Mara_Jade kicks ShangMan in the nose [22:33] <@donsig> Regia Doughnutia builds market and starts an aqueduct [22:34] <@donsig> New Jedina builds harbor and starts a market [22:34] [22:34] *** ShangMan (ShangMan@adsl-204-12-85-12.ma.us.rogers.com) 4[left] #demogame. [22:34] <+DX_Zoi> why did you do that CG? [22:34] <+DX_Zoi> Is that the conduct we should expect from our future President? [22:34] * @Mara_Jade throws the Bot and Boots in the same room [22:34] <+Bootstoots> ShangMan is a bot [22:34] <+Bootstoots> and fun to kick, not a real person [22:35] <+DX_Zoi> So kicking a non-existent entity is what passes for fun these days....? right....... [22:35] <+Bootstoots> lol :p [22:35] <+ravensfire> Well, there is the debate in the CJ poll ... [22:36] <+DX_Zoi> Iris what do you think of that? [22:36] <+Iris> DX_Zoi, Sometime in the near future. Ask again tomorrow. [22:36] <+Bootstoots> hi Iris [22:36] <+Iris> Hey, whats up Bootstoots [22:36] <+DX_Zoi> I thought she would be more offended [22:36] <+Bootstoots> iris, you'd better not get devoiced [22:36] <+Iris> Bootstoots, Not bloody likely. [22:36] [22:36] *** Falcon02 4[devoices] [22:36] <@Mara_Jade> Stop playing with Iris Boots [22:36] <@donsig> well, I think that's a wrap... [22:36] <@donsig> nothing more to report [22:36] <@Falcon02> don't play with the bot during the t/c [22:37] <+DX_Zoi> my bad [22:37] <@Falcon02> even if it is 1 minute from closure :-p [22:37] <+Bootstoots> ok...so i can play with iris now that iris is done? [22:37] <+Bootstoots> *the turnchat [22:37] <+DX_Zoi> huh? [22:37] <+Bootstoots> not iris :p [22:37] <+cyc> thanks for being our Prez, donsig. [22:37] <+DX_Zoi> ok [22:37] <@donsig> it's been a pleasure Cyc [22:37] <@Mara_Jade> Soon, come me :D [22:37] * +ravensfire nods at what Cyc said [22:38] <+DX_Zoi> yes, it has been, how shall I say....interesting [22:38] <+cyc> hehe [22:38] <+Bootstoots> lol...yes an interesting term, that's for sure [22:38] <+cyc> and profitable [22:38] <+ravensfire> How ...... inadequate that word seems DZ [22:38] <+rangers85> I'm sure there's still time for a PI before the term ends :) [22:38] <@donsig> save posted [22:38] <@donsig> will you post a log General? [Junk Chatting no real DG relevence] [22:44] <@donsig> Copernicus is being worked on in Athens, Kish, Hangchow and Odessa [22:45] * @Mara_Jade will give a cookie to anyone who can guess what the tank of "High Colonel" would be [22:45] <@donsig> Athens costs 120g to investigate [22:46] <@donsig> Kish is 67g to investigate [22:46] <@Falcon02> Odessa? [22:46] <@Falcon02> That's an old Russian build [22:46] <@donsig> 62g for an embassy in Russia before we could even investigate Odessa [22:46] <@Falcon02> THAT's the one to worry about [22:46] <@Falcon02> maybe Athens too [22:47] <@donsig> 83g for an embassy in China before we could see how much Hangchow is to investigate [22:47] <+cyc> who started first? I would have to read the chat log. [22:47] <@Falcon02> Yeah Greece's Leo's and Russia's Sun Tzu [22:47] <@donsig> 10 cities are working on Sun Tzu... [22:47] <@donsig> Gorina's market will be done in 2 turns [22:48] <@donsig> then it grows in 3 [22:48] <@Falcon02> Hangchow is old Sun Tzu build as well [22:48] <@donsig> it will be size 11 - but Memphis is already size 12 [22:48] <@Falcon02> Kish is Babs old Bach build [22:49] <+cyc> 9 turns to get the CO [22:49] * @Falcon02 wonders if he should take the log up to include this discussion as well [22:49] <@donsig> and Sun Tzu is more shields than Copernicus so... [22:49] <+DX_Zoi> Well, goodnight everyone. Congratulations, donsig on a stellar performance this term [22:49] <@donsig> if someone builds Sun Tzu then there could be an immediate Copernicus build [22:49] <+cyc> cya DZ [22:49] <@donsig> thanks DZ - good night [22:49] <+ravensfire> falcon - probably a good idea, just skip the junk just after the end [22:49] <@Falcon02> 'ngith DZ [22:49] <+Bootstoots> night [22:49] <+ravensfire> night DZ [22:50] <+DX_Zoi> nite all : ) [22:50] [22:50] *** DX_Zoi has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [22:50] <@donsig> at least Memphis can switch to the palace if need be (46 turns right now) [22:50] <@Falcon02> well, that's good [22:50] <+cyc> of course :) [22:50] <@donsig> still 2 mines to go in Memphis [22:51] <+cyc> k [22:51] <+cyc> thanks for doing that donsig [22:51] <@donsig> still building courthouses in Aventine... [22:51] <+cyc> bad idea [22:52] <+Bootstoots> near the FP? [22:52] <+cyc> yup [22:52] <+ravensfire> gotta convice the govenor of that cyc, but you are right [22:52] <+Bootstoots> somebody needs to tell Nold not to do that in the future [22:52] <+cyc> i already tried to tell him [22:52] <+cyc> i posted in his thread [22:52] <@Mara_Jade> Hmm, where is Noldy? [22:52] <+cyc> GBM is in charge now [22:53] <+cyc> at least temporarily [22:53] * @Mara_Jade shows Cyc her High Colonel Insignia [22:53] <+cyc> GBM shucked Capitoline Province too [22:53] <+ravensfire> Cyc - I'm pretty sure Noldy is getting re-elected [22:53] <@donsig> no office this term Cyc? [22:53] <@donsig> yeah Noldy is winning [22:53] <+cyc> looks at MJ's Insignia for a long time [22:54] * +ravensfire notices that cyc isn't quite looking at the insignia [22:54] <+cyc> but GBM is in charge while Noldy's on vacation [22:54] * @Mara_Jade waits for Cyc to say, "Hey, that a Bird Colonel with a Star above the Bird's head" [22:54] <+cyc> hehehe [22:54] <@donsig> we are 177 point behind Germany [22:55] <+cyc> ok, cyc says it [22:55] <+ravensfire> Mara - dealing with courthouses in low-corruption cities might be something to put high on your list of things to do. [22:55] <@donsig> England is 1111 points behind Germany [22:55] <@Mara_Jade> hmm [22:55] <+cyc> we're doing pretty well [22:55] <@donsig> We have the biggest power graph! [22:56] <+ravensfire> Oh yeah, walk softly and carry a big frickin' stick! [22:56] <@donsig> our culture graph has been increasing since about 400 AD