Start of #Demogame buffer: Fri Oct 03 20:12:29 2003 [16:20] *** Now Talking in #Demogame. [16:20] * Topic is 'CivFanatics' Center's Civ3 Game of Democracy III :: Forum is at: http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.p hp?s=&forumid=100 :: Next Turn Chat: Friday, October 3 3:30 PM EST (20:30 GMT)' [16:20] * Set by Fionn696_-Away on Thu Oct 02 01:48:33 [16:20] *** Mafioso 4[ops] CivGeneral [16:20] <@CivGeneral> 12° "You don't leave an enemy at your back. Not if you like living." - Mara Jade 12° [16:20] *** 12[Mafioso12]5 Welcome to the demogame chatroom! IF YOU FIND THAT YOU CAN NOT TALK, REGISTER YOU NICK! [16:20] *** CivGeneral 4[voices] [16:20] <@CivGeneral> 3° "There's your twice of nothing. Enjoy it." - Mara Jade 3° [16:20] <@CivGeneral> BOOTS!!! [16:20] <@Bootstoots> CG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [16:20] <@Bootstoots> turnchat's in ten minutes [16:20] <@Bootstoots> after I put up this post I'll open the save [16:20] <@CivGeneral> ??? [16:21] <@CivGeneral> I thought it was 3:30 EDT?! [16:21] <@Bootstoots> 3:30 EST [16:21] <@Bootstoots> EDT is one hour ahead of it [16:21] <@CivGeneral> Boots - I hate to say it, but Day light savings time is still on ;) [16:21] <@Bootstoots> EST=CDT [16:22] <@Bootstoots> but not in Indiana :p [16:22] *** Inter32 (avisinoni@35474391.3974cd3.3155232f.1e706c24X) 4[joined] #demogame. [16:22] *** CivGeneral 4[voices] [16:22] <@Bootstoots> or where I live in Indiana, that is ;) [16:22] <+Inter32> Am I late? [16:22] <@Bootstoots> nope [16:22] <+Inter32> good [16:22] <@Bootstoots> chat should start in about 8 minutes [16:22] <+Inter32> I went to have a massage :D [16:22] <+Inter32> I'm all relaxed to chat now [16:22] <@Bootstoots> lol [16:22] *** RikMeleet (jirc@2b2c869d.2486bca.adsl.zonnet.nl) 4[joined] #demogame. [16:22] *** Mafioso 4[voices] [16:23] <@Bootstoots> hi RM [16:23] <+RikMeleet> Hi all [16:23] <+Inter32> Hey Rik [16:23] <@CivGeneral> Hey its Inter32 [16:23] * @CivGeneral noticed Inter has his Avatar Back [16:23] <+RikMeleet> Just finshed editting Domestic Instructions (+esquiline's +Capitoline's) [16:23] <+Inter32> yeah :D [16:24] <+Inter32> So the governor can decide what to queue in a city without consulting the mayor? [16:24] <@Bootstoots> yes, but the mayor's advice is recommended [16:24] <+Inter32> oh ok [16:25] <@Bootstoots> mayor isn't an official position but it is a good entry point for new citizens [16:25] * @CivGeneral was a Mayor before [16:26] <@CivGeneral> Dis is back!! YAY!!! [16:26] <@Bootstoots> yeah, most of us are mayors somewhere or another, there are so many cities ;) [16:26] <@Bootstoots> he is? [16:26] <@Bootstoots> loading Civ [16:26] * @CivGeneral blames a College aquaintance on getting me started with the Special Ed from Crank yankers [16:27] <+Inter32> lol [16:27] <@Bootstoots> lol [16:27] <@CivGeneral> Ive got Mail! Ive Got Mail!! YAY!!! [16:28] <@CivGeneral> He realy does a good voice of Special Ed from Crank yankers [16:28] <@Bootstoots> save is open [16:29] <+zorven> Im back - howdy all [16:29] <@CivGeneral> ZORVEN!!! [16:29] <+zorven> CG!!!! [16:29] <@Bootstoots> one thing...I'm probably being an idiot but: how do I set build queues? [16:29] <@CivGeneral> ZORVEN Is back!! YAY!!! [16:29] <@Bootstoots> without changing production all the time [16:29] <@CivGeneral> Boots - Just hit shift and it adds it to it [16:29] <@Bootstoots> ok [16:30] <+zorven> it definetly is a time saver [16:30] <@Bootstoots> and how do I change them? [16:31] <+RikMeleet> Creating a queue: click on first build, then SHIFT-click the next. [16:31] <@Bootstoots> ok [16:31] <+Inter32> just select the que you want to change and replace for the one you want [16:31] <+RikMeleet> Editting: click on the blue build and press DEL-ete [16:31] <@Bootstoots> ok [16:31] <@Bootstoots> now, setting queues... ;) [16:31] <+RikMeleet> Or instead of DELete SHIFT_click the next in queue [16:32] <+Inter32> so when does the president play the game? whenever he wants or during chat? [16:32] <+zorven> yes [16:32] <+Inter32> yes what? [16:32] <+zorven> the pres gets to play whenever, but usually chooses to do it during a chat [16:33] <+Inter32> when are you playing boots? [16:33] <+zorven> Boots, can I give you the instructions for Sycorax since Perfection never posted? [16:34] <+zorven> he's playing now.... [16:34] <+zorven> he is doing pre-turn stuff [16:34] <+Inter32> ok [16:34] <@Bootstoots> sure Zorven [16:34] <@Bootstoots> alright, one queue down, only about 50 more to go ;) [16:34] <+Inter32> lol [16:35] <+Inter32> hey, being the president is not as easy as you thought ;) [16:37] <+RikMeleet> Boots can you please give contionous updates of what is happening ? [16:37] <@Bootstoots> sorry, only two queues down, I was on the phone for a few minutes [16:38] <@Bootstoots> I'll be going a little faster now ;) [16:39] *** Bacon (jirc@763458a.2ae78891.ipt.aol.com) 4[joined] #demogame. [16:39] *** CivGeneral 4[voices] [16:39] <+RikMeleet> HI Bacon [16:39] <@Bootstoots> does it matter if I don't bother to set queues on cities that are working on things without a rush that are scheduled to take 50 turns? [16:40] <@Bootstoots> just put them on the first item in the queue [16:40] <+RikMeleet> Please include everything in the queue. [16:40] <@Bootstoots> alright...this may take 14 million years but bear with me ;) [16:41] <+Bacon> hey, are ops usually at the bottom of the list of people in the room in Java? [16:41] <+RikMeleet> I guess so, Bacon [16:41] <@CivGeneral> BACON!!! [16:41] <+zorven> Boots - Sycorax Build Queue: Battleship, Cathedral, Hospital. Move 2 Laborers from irrigated grass to coast [16:42] <@Bootstoots> alrighty ;) [16:42] <+zorven> thanks! [16:42] * +zorven thinks back to when I was just a mayor and boots was my governor [16:42] <+Bacon> CG! [16:42] * +Bacon does too [16:43] <+RikMeleet> When are the Capitoline and Esquiline re-elections ? [16:43] <+Bacon> of course, i was also the deputy governer [16:44] <+zorven> should be now [16:45] <@Bootstoots> they should start...yesterday :crazyeye: [16:45] <@Bootstoots> CG, please do them for me...I'm setting queues for the next half hour to hour or so [16:45] <@Bootstoots> maybe less [16:45] <@CivGeneral> ??? [16:46] <+RikMeleet> Esquiline and Capitoline re-elections [16:46] <+zorven> we actually have some choices in the election too :) [16:47] *** Bootstoots has 4[morphed] into "Boots_setting_queues" [16:47] * +RikMeleet hums the Esquiline anthem .. Esquiline, You are fine... [16:48] * +Bacon hums the science department anthem, also known as Mr. Roger's Neighberhood song [16:49] <@Boots_setting_queues> lol [16:49] <@Boots_setting_queues> Esquiline queues done, btw [16:49] <+zorven> I need an anthem..... [16:50] <+zorven> Boots - I beat you to requesting a Judicial Review - HA! [16:50] <@Boots_setting_queues> Rik, what should I put in place of Palace for Gorina? [16:50] <@Boots_setting_queues> lol :p [16:50] <+RikMeleet> A Palace [16:51] <@Boots_setting_queues> ok...but the UN is to go in Aurues...what is it a prebuild to? [16:51] * +Bacon think Rik wants the Pa;ace moved to Gorina [16:51] <+RikMeleet> SETI, as stated in the insturctions [16:52] <@Boots_setting_queues> ok [16:53] <+RikMeleet> AFAIK, no election on SETI was held, so Domestic should decide. We need to start the Prebuild now. [16:55] <+zorven> I think Science and Culture could be in the decision as well..... [16:55] <+RikMeleet> I advice the Governor of Aureus to start a Palace prebuils as soon as Computers-tech is learend and Gorina is switched to SETI. [16:55] <+Bacon> Governer of Aureus? [16:55] <+RikMeleet> stupid me. [16:56] <+RikMeleet> Governor of Aventine [16:56] <+Bacon> :p [16:57] <+Inter32> here [16:57] <+Inter32> oh ok [16:58] <+Inter32> governor of aventine is not here [16:58] <+RikMeleet> Boots: I forgot 1 little line in the instructions. it is: * - denotes continue building this unit. [16:59] <@CivGeneral> Im back [16:59] <@Boots_setting_queues> yes [16:59] <@Boots_setting_queues> I figured that ;) [16:59] <@Boots_setting_queues> Capitoline queues done [17:00] <@Boots_setting_queues> two provinces down, two more to go plus Quirnial which I will set at my discression (all mayor queues will be honored) [17:00] <@CivGeneral> *ahem* [17:00] <@CivGeneral> Im back! [17:00] <+RikMeleet> Who is that ? [17:00] <+RikMeleet> HI CG, WB [17:01] <+zorven> did you hear something? [17:01] <+RikMeleet> Boots: are you happy with my 2000 Euro for mil upgrades and, in case of need, 1500 Euro for unforseen building-cashrushes ? [17:04] <+Bacon> well, im bored, im gonna go play PTW [17:04] <+Bacon> not like im doing anything anyway [17:04] *** Bacon has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [17:08] <@Boots_setting_queues> 16:01] Boots: are you happy with my 2000 Euro for mil upgrades and, in case of need, 1500 Euro for unforseen building-cashrushes ? [17:08] <@Boots_setting_queues> yes, but I don't think we'll need it ;) [17:08] <@Boots_setting_queues> I hope not anyway [17:08] <@Boots_setting_queues> Aventine done [17:08] <+RikMeleet> That is what I am hoping for. But I wanted to give the DP this room to maneuver. [17:12] *** Peri (~aoikaze20@fbb8a3c.231e202b.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 4[joined] #demogame. [17:12] *** Mafioso 4[ops] Peri [17:12] *** CivGeneral 4[voices] [17:13] *** Peri 4[deops] Peri [17:13] <+Peri> hi [17:13] <@CivGeneral> PERY [17:13] <+zorven> PERI!! [17:13] <@CivGeneral> Aww nuts, there goes the reigns [17:13] <+Peri> hi all [17:13] <+RikMeleet> Peri ! [17:14] <+Peri> have we had any turns yet? [17:14] <+RikMeleet> SO are we going to invade Japan ? [17:14] <+RikMeleet> Peri:preturn [17:14] <+Peri> great i havent missed anything [17:14] <+zorven> Peri, Sycorax is building a battleship that was inserted during the last tc...do you still want it completed (in 3 turns)? [17:14] <+Peri> unless there is a civic improvement [17:15] <+Peri> i have been mulling things over [17:15] <+zorven> we could skip it and work on some civic imp, is that what you prefer? [17:15] <+Peri> unless we plan to invade anyone we dont need to build more units at the moment [17:15] <+zorven> ok [17:15] <+Peri> we have enough to defend ourselves at moment [17:15] <+Peri> so it is up to you mr governor [17:16] <+zorven> in this case, mr mayor [17:17] <+zorven> I have stopped all military prod in Cælian, though [17:17] <+Peri> there is no need to produce units just for the sake of it [17:17] <+Peri> it costs us gold [17:17] <+zorven> agreed [17:18] <+RikMeleet> Domestic is against wasting ogld. [17:18] <+RikMeleet> *gold [17:18] <+zorven> but what about my salary? [17:18] <+Peri> lol [17:18] <+RikMeleet> Zorven: it's declined [17:19] * +zorven mumbles "darn budget fat trimming..." [17:19] <+RikMeleet> Zorven you can get it back by promissing to be the one who stays behind on earth to fire the rocket ;) [17:19] <+zorven> lol [17:19] <+RikMeleet> You have to pay for the matches of course ... [17:20] <+zorven> that IS the only way to see such an awesome sight [17:20] <+RikMeleet> The rest will be in frozen hibernation. [17:20] <@Boots_setting_queues> ok, Caelian done [17:21] <+zorven> boots - for Sycorax, you can skip the battleship [17:21] <+Inter32> Am I the onle DG newbie here? :crazyeye: [17:21] <+zorven> yes, yes you are ;) [17:21] <@Boots_setting_queues> could you repost the queue here? [17:21] <+RikMeleet> Inter: yes. Welcome to your first lesson. [17:21] <+zorven> change it to: cathedral, hospital [17:22] <@Boots_setting_queues> ok [17:22] <+Inter32> thanks rik [17:22] <+zorven> and don't forget to move 2 labores from irrigated grass to coast [17:22] <@Boots_setting_queues> alright [17:22] <+Peri> welcome [17:22] <+zorven> Thanks [17:23] <+zorven> * boots [17:23] <+RikMeleet> And don't forget to win the Space Race ! [17:23] <+zorven> you always want to win....... [17:24] <@Boots_setting_queues> all queues done [17:24] <+zorven> YEAH [17:24] *** Boots_setting_queues has 4[morphed] into "Bootstoots" [17:24] <+RikMeleet> Great Boots. [17:24] *** Peri has quit IRC (Quit:) [17:25] <@Bootstoots> now, on to other preturn matters...setting science slider to 80% [17:25] <+RikMeleet> ok, 0gpt ? [17:26] <@Bootstoots> yep [17:26] <@Bootstoots> on to trade [17:26] <@Bootstoots> dialing up Alex [17:27] <@Bootstoots> renogotiated [17:27] <+RikMeleet> Alex here; how do you do Boots ? [17:27] <@Bootstoots> *renegotiated [17:27] <@Bootstoots> Increasing the price for Iron :D [17:28] <+RikMeleet> Mr President: Mao is on the phone ! [17:28] <+Inter32> what's his reesponse? [17:28] <+zorven> He cried.... [17:28] <@Bootstoots> hi Mao [17:28] <+Inter32> lol [17:28] <@Bootstoots> rasing price of Dyes for you ;) [17:29] <+RikMeleet> OK, my pleasure [17:29] *** conehead (jirc@24862c5a.31478372.md.comcast.net) 4[joined] #demogame. [17:29] *** CivGeneral 4[voices] [17:29] <+conehead> sup [17:29] <+RikMeleet> Hello cone [17:29] <+zorven> hi conehead... [17:29] <+conehead> hey [17:29] <+conehead> so how is the chat going [17:29] <@Bootstoots> Cathy called and dyes price raised [17:29] <@Bootstoots> we're in the preturn [17:30] <+zorven> conehead, have you checked the queue for Heliopolis? [17:30] <+conehead> o [17:30] <+conehead> yea [17:30] <+conehead> It's fine [17:31] <+zorven> if you have any input about the rest of the province, feel free to let me know [17:31] <@CivGeneral> Im back again [17:31] <+conehead> didn't the chat start 2 hours ago [17:31] * @CivGeneral is seriously POed [17:31] <+conehead> k [17:31] <+zorven> 1 hour [17:31] <+conehead> o [17:32] <+zorven> whats up CG [17:32] *** Boots (~bootstoot@9b184f5.1908d3ef.clvhoh.adelphia.net) 4[joined] #demogame. [17:32] *** Mafioso 4[voices] [17:32] *** Dyer_Maker (~marcus_up@246a3fd8.28a85a1b.telia.com) 4[joined] #demogame. [17:32] *** Mafioso 4[voices] [17:32] *** Bootstoots has quit IRC (SVSKilled: GHOST command used by Boots) [17:32] *** Boots has 4[morphed] into "Bootstoots" [17:32] <@CivGeneral> Zorvon & Boots - No I am not leaving CFC, Im just POed at the GCers [17:32] <+Dyer_Maker> luu [17:32] <+RikMeleet> Hi Dyer [17:32] <+zorven> hi dyer_maker [17:32] <+zorven> GCers ?? [17:32] <+Bootstoots> can't blame you for being pissed off at them [17:33] <+Bootstoots> GameCatchers [17:33] <+Dyer_Maker> hi fellas [17:33] <+zorven> oh, the multisite game? [17:33] <@CivGeneral> They are just big [censored] [17:33] <+Bootstoots> anyway, to other business... [17:33] <+Bootstoots> military instructions have all tanks moving to Regia Doughnutia [17:35] <+Dyer_Maker> boots - did you get instructions from quirnial? [17:35] <+zorven> whats all that rumbling...? [17:35] <+conehead> I think the build orders for caelian are fine but why does the miltary leader doesn't want any more miltary units [17:35] <+zorven> he thinks we are fine for defensive purposes with what we have [17:35] <+zorven> conehead...no [17:36] <+zorven> instructions for quirnial [17:36] <+zorven> I mean dyer_maker [17:36] <+conehead> o [17:36] <+Bootstoots> [16:35] boots - did you get instructions from quirnial? [17:36] <+Bootstoots> no [17:36] <+zorven> that is what I meant to say... [17:37] <+Dyer_Maker> allright.. if you have some spare workers, could you irrigate the forests there? [17:37] <+zorven> except Sycorax! [17:37] <+Dyer_Maker> ...except for sycorax [17:37] <+Dyer_Maker> :P [17:38] <+zorven> that is the city forest preserve :) [17:38] <+Dyer_Maker> if my fellow mayors approve, that is :) the chopping is a part of the quirnial plan, which all liked [17:38] <+Bootstoots> I'm going to bombard German ironclads [17:38] <+Bootstoots> brb [17:39] <+zorven> it is? I guess I missed that section [17:39] * @CivGeneral wants to launch an ICBM at GC to blow them off the map [17:40] <+Bootstoots> back [17:40] <@CivGeneral> wb [17:40] <+Dyer_Maker> zorven - to educate me, is there any loss with having a starve - growth cycle? for civ 1 and 2 settlers could die, but what about civ3 ? [17:41] <+RikMeleet> Dyer: CIV3 settlers don't "eat food" [17:41] <+zorven> I don't think there is any penalty - I just don't like it [17:41] <+Dyer_Maker> yes, i know :) [17:42] <+Dyer_Maker> for a better and greener environment [17:43] <+Dyer_Maker> understand your concerns, zorven, I always played the gaians in SMAC [17:43] <+Dyer_Maker> :9 [17:43] <+zorven> SMAC was fun :) [17:44] <+zorven> I wish more features had carried over to Civ3 [17:45] <+Dyer_Maker> they used the formers - workers, pod - settler, for better or worse.. [17:46] <+Bootstoots> one more tank to go... [17:46] <+Dyer_Maker> i wish they made civ less based on moving all the units one by one.. [17:47] <+zorven> they have worked on that in the expansions, haven't they? [17:47] <+Dyer_Maker> really? i havn't played them [17:48] *** Padma-Away has 4[morphed] into "Padma" [17:48] * +Padma has Returned (Been gone 18hrs 13mins 10secs) [17:48] <+Bootstoots> all tanks are in Regia [17:48] <+zorven> hi Padma [17:49] <+conehead> lol [17:49] * @CivGeneral watches as Padma sleeps [17:49] <+conehead> hi [17:50] <+zorven> must be sleep walking.. [17:50] <+Dyer_Maker> haven't played call to power either, but i heard they use some kind of terrain improvement points - system, with no moving workers around [17:50] <+zorven> ditto [17:50] *** Bootstoots (~bootstoot@Stick.Man.Censorer) 4[left] #demogame. [17:50] *** Bootstoots (~bootstoot@Stick.Man.Censorer) 4[joined] #demogame. [17:50] *** Mafioso 4[ops] Bootstoots [17:50] *** CivGeneral 4[voices] [17:51] <@Bootstoots> there we go ;) [17:51] <+zorven> boots, are you logging? [17:52] * @CivGeneral is also logging [17:52] <+zorven> ok [17:52] <@Bootstoots> yes [17:52] <+zorven> boots - when the turn chat is done, can you post the save and log in the Game Save thread like ravensfire did? [17:52] <@Bootstoots> military done [17:52] <@Bootstoots> yes [17:52] <+zorven> thanks [17:53] * +RikMeleet can hardly wait [17:53] <@Bootstoots> on to workers [17:53] <+zorven> we'll see you in an hour :) [17:53] <+conehead> are we going to sign an alliance with persia vs babloyn this chat [17:54] <+RikMeleet> Guess not. [17:54] <@Bootstoots> no, hasn't been polled [17:54] <+RikMeleet> Boots: SPies ? [17:54] <@Bootstoots> pollution cleared from Memphis [17:54] <+zorven> reset the laborer.... [17:54] <@Bootstoots> you want me to do those in the preturn or in Turn 1? [17:54] <+RikMeleet> hang on. [17:54] <+conehead> o [17:55] <+conehead> is everyone gonna vote for me for governer [17:55] <+RikMeleet> I posted turn 1, I meant preturn, but turn 1 it is ... [17:55] <+Dyer_Maker> oh irrigate gingerbread C:s bonus grassland too [17:55] <+zorven> hey, no campaining on government property.... [17:56] <+conehead> o [17:57] <+zorven> j/k [17:57] * +conehead runs away screaming [17:57] * +conehead tries to hide from zorven [17:57] <@Bootstoots> attacked a German ironclad with a battleship, won, battleship is 2/3 [17:57] <+zorven> I see you.... [17:57] <@Bootstoots> north of Giza [17:57] * +conehead gets shot by zorven [17:57] <@Bootstoots> battleship is now back in Giza [17:58] * +zorven can't believe his finger slipped on the trigger [17:58] <@Bootstoots> [16:55] I posted turn 1, I meant preturn, but turn 1 it is ... [17:58] <@CivGeneral> :hmm: [17:58] * @CivGeneral takes the gun away from Zorven [17:58] * +conehead rolls over in pain [17:59] <@Bootstoots> nobody would object if I did it in the preturn with your sanction [17:59] <+RikMeleet> Do it in the preturn, please Boots. [17:59] <+zorven> no objection [17:59] <+zorven> but I do object to the violation of my 2nd amendment rights.... [18:00] <+RikMeleet> The right to bear arms and bear legs, bear paws and a bear-face ? [18:00] <+zorven> and don't forget bear claws....yummy [18:02] <@Bootstoots> I see nothing...am I lagging? [18:03] <+zorven> ? [18:03] <+RikMeleet> what do you mean boots ? [18:03] *** Noldodan (Noldodan@2310808e.2142b218.ipt.aol.com) 4[joined] #demogame. [18:03] *** CivGeneral 4[voices] [18:03] <@CivGeneral> NOLDY!!!! [18:03] <+zorven> hi Noldodan [18:03] <+Noldodan> 'lo all [18:03] <+RikMeleet> Ho Nold [18:04] <+conehead> hey [18:04] <+Noldodan> jsut stoppin in for a sec [18:04] * +RikMeleet has a new advisor: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/Foreingn_advisor.JPG [18:04] <+Noldodan> ummm... yeah... [18:05] <+zorven> what employement agency to you use? [18:05] <+RikMeleet> Mandy's massage salon and employment office. [18:06] <+Noldodan> so... [18:06] <+Noldodan> what's happened in the chat so far? [18:06] * +zorven flips through yellow pages [18:06] <+RikMeleet> Preturn [18:06] <+Noldodan> ah [18:06] <+zorven> well, gotta go.....have fun! [18:06] <+RikMeleet> by zorven [18:06] <@Bootstoots> ok [18:06] <+Inter32> bye [18:06] <+Noldodan> c ya [18:06] <+Noldodan> and Inter's here! [18:07] <@Bootstoots> ok, I will [18:07] <+Inter32> yeah [18:07] <+Noldodan> where's my city thread? [18:07] *** zorven has quit IRC (Quit:) [18:07] <+Inter32> I opened it two days ago :p [18:07] <+Inter32> go check :D [18:07] <+Noldodan> GAH! [18:07] <+Inter32> you hadn't noticed? [18:07] <@Bootstoots> we now have an agent in all three nations :D [18:08] <+Inter32> :D :D :D [18:08] <+RikMeleet> YEs YES YES !!!! [18:08] <+Inter32> tell the situation [18:08] <+RikMeleet> What is the strength of their armies ? [18:08] <+Inter32> yeah [18:08] <+RikMeleet> Option 2; steel troop locations ? [18:08] <+RikMeleet> *steal [18:08] <+Inter32> isn't that a little too expensive? [18:09] <@Bootstoots> i don't see much for these workers to do, should I just skip their turns? [18:09] <+RikMeleet> Take good care of them; if you don't see tasks, bring them to a city [18:10] *** peri (~jirc@16b4fba6.20846cb9.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 4[joined] #demogame. [18:10] <@Bootstoots> whatever, I'll just skip their turns anyway [18:10] *** CivGeneral 4[voices] [18:10] <+peri> hi all [18:10] <+RikMeleet> Peri: all3 spy-attempts succesful ! [18:10] <+Noldodan> 'lo peri [18:10] <+peri> wahaaay [18:10] <+RikMeleet> can't wait for the preturn save ! [18:10] <+peri> that is brilliant [18:11] <@Bootstoots> [17:10] what do you mean boots ? [18:11] <@Bootstoots> fortify them and have them do nothing [18:11] <+peri> have we not had any turns yet? [18:11] <+RikMeleet> nope [18:11] <+peri> poor boots [18:11] <+Noldodan> well, time to go now [18:11] <+peri> by noldodan [18:11] <+Noldodan> see everyone later [18:11] *** Noldodan has quit IRC (Quit:) [18:12] *** conehead has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [18:12] <@Bootstoots> all pollution is gone [18:12] <@Bootstoots> and also, I'm lagging tremendously [18:12] <+RikMeleet> cool [18:12] <+RikMeleet> not cool [18:13] <+peri> are you going to go for 10 turns boots still? [18:13] * +RikMeleet will continue if needed. [18:14] <@Bootstoots> anything else until I start Turn 1? [18:14] <+RikMeleet> Upload save ? [18:15] <@Bootstoots> woah, the last 4 minutes or so just flooded my screen [18:15] <@CivGeneral> o_O [18:16] <@Bootstoots> I will go for 10 turns if we can get there without causing trouble [18:17] <+Dyer_Maker> g2g study sleep [18:17] <+Dyer_Maker> c ya all [18:17] <@Bootstoots> going to disconnect and reconnect [18:17] *** Bootstoots has quit IRC (Quit:) [18:17] *** Dyer_Maker has quit IRC (Quit:) [18:17] <+RikMeleet> bye dyer [18:17] *** Bootstoots (~bootstoot@Stick.Man.Censorer) 4[joined] #demogame. [18:17] *** Mafioso 4[ops] Bootstoots [18:17] *** CivGeneral 4[voices] [18:18] <@CivGeneral> WB [18:18] <+RikMeleet> hi [18:18] <@Bootstoots> ok [18:18] <@Bootstoots> now, is there anything I should do before saving the preturn and uploading? [18:19] <+RikMeleet> Check happyness ? [18:20] *** fiercanadien (~francois@141bd0a1.1654620b.mc.videotron.ca) 4[joined] #demogame. [18:20] *** CivGeneral 4[voices] [18:21] <@Bootstoots> ok [18:21] <+RikMeleet> HI Fire (fier I know you like to be called fire) [18:21] <+fiercanadien> Hey, don't start a flame war [18:21] *** Padma has 4[morphed] into "Padma-Away" [18:21] * +Padma-Away has left the Chat. Reason: [We're going bowling .... ;)] [18:21] <+RikMeleet> Have fun Padam [18:21] <+fiercanadien> he has already left [18:22] <+RikMeleet> Fast old man. [18:22] <+fiercanadien> how's the TC going? [18:23] <@Bootstoots> Skunkworks was on the verge of revolt, converted one taxman to an entertainer [18:23] <+fiercanadien> any german/japan trouble? [18:24] <+fiercanadien> ***Culture leader wants some culture flip endangered cities in the heart of Japan*** [18:24] <+fiercanadien> ***to have something to do*** [18:24] <@Bootstoots> aaahhh...lagging again, suddenly got a several minute flood [18:24] <@CivGeneral> o_O [18:26] <@Bootstoots> ok, happyness checked and I don't expect disorder soon [18:26] <@Bootstoots> will save and upload preturn then hit the button if there are no objections [18:26] <+RikMeleet> excellent [18:26] <@CivGeneral> (boots) Can you hear me now? [18:26] <@Bootstoots> yes [18:27] <@Bootstoots> ok, no objections, all instructions fulfilled, saving and uploading preturn [18:28] <+fiercanadien> @ peri: any plans to take over Japan any time soon [18:29] <@Bootstoots> preturns posted [18:29] <@Bootstoots> *preturn [18:29] <@Bootstoots> hitting the button in 3... [18:29] <@Bootstoots> 2... [18:29] <@Bootstoots> 1... [18:29] <@Bootstoots> hit [18:30] <@Bootstoots> Japanese frigate tries to bombard improvements, fails [18:31] <@Bootstoots> huge German fleet bombards near Giza, has a battleship [18:31] <+fiercanadien> HEY, MY OLDE PROVINCE! [18:31] <+peri> well there has to be a vote on it [18:32] <+Inter32> :eeK: [18:32] <+peri> when the discussion is done [18:32] <+peri> should be sorted for next turnchat [18:32] <+RikMeleet> BOOTS: save file gets: NOT FOUND error ! [18:32] <+fiercanadien> Thee battleship has sunk my beloved ship Pellaran, anchored in Giza! [18:32] <+RikMeleet> http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/Preturn1705.SAV [18:33] <@Bootstoots> not again [18:33] <+peri> define huge boots [18:33] <@Bootstoots> well, not exactly huge [18:34] <@Bootstoots> 6 ironclads, 2 destroyers, and they don't even have battleships [18:34] <@Bootstoots> mistook the destroyers for battleships [18:34] <@Bootstoots> but it is enough to cause some damage [18:34] <+peri> what do we have nearby? [18:36] *** Bootstoots has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [18:36] *** Boots (~bootstoot@9b184f5.1908d3ef.clvhoh.adelphia.net) 4[joined] #demogame. [18:36] *** Mafioso 4[voices] [18:37] <+RikMeleet> Is there pollution ? [18:37] <@CivGeneral> Under your chair Rik ;) [18:37] * +RikMeleet checks the floor and concludes CG is wrong. [18:38] * @CivGeneral concludes that Rik is lyeing about the infedels [18:38] <+RikMeleet> CG: ? infidels ? [18:38] <@CivGeneral> YOu know, Baghdad Bob [18:38] <+peri> who is infidelis? [18:38] <+fiercanadien> The German, he is a GERMAN [18:38] <@CivGeneral> All lies are from the Infedels, you know [18:39] <+RikMeleet> CG: Is that a joke-attempt ? [18:39] *** Boots has 4[morphed] into "Bootstoots" [18:40] <+peri> i have an idea [18:40] <+RikMeleet> Can someone Opp Bootstoots ? [18:40] <+Inter32> I'm kinda los in this game since I joined very late and don't know our history. I promise to be more active in DG4 [18:40] <+Inter32> *lost [18:40] <+Bootstoots> gah, still lagging and disconnected for several minutes [18:40] <+RikMeleet> CG: can you Opp Bootstoots ? [18:40] <+peri> poor boots [18:40] *** CivGeneral 4[ops] Bootstoots [18:41] <@CivGeneral> Boots is not Poor [18:41] <+RikMeleet> Peri: what is your plan ? Thanks CG. [18:41] <+peri> we could bombard the german ships with our arty [18:41] <+peri> then take them out one by one with that bb in giza [18:42] <+RikMeleet> Peri has a cunning plan! [18:42] <+peri> my lord [18:42] <@Bootstoots> I know you must be talking up a storm but I can't hear it...I'm going to save the game, reboot, and come back in a couple of minutes [18:42] *** Bootstoots has quit IRC (Quit:) [18:43] <+peri> if my save is current we have18 arty available for this [18:43] <+RikMeleet> And only 2 Bombers; while I ordered 4. [18:44] <+RikMeleet> In the buildqueues for Esquiline and Capitoline. [18:45] <+RikMeleet> Boots will have to explain that. [18:45] <+peri> did you authorise the caravel to transport upgrade rik? [18:45] <+RikMeleet> 1Yes Peri, I put it in the instructions. [18:46] <+peri> cheers [18:46] *** Bootstoots (~bootstoot@Stick.Man.Censorer) 4[joined] #demogame. [18:46] *** Mafioso 4[ops] Bootstoots [18:46] *** CivGeneral 4[voices] [18:46] <+RikMeleet> 4Bootstoots: How come Gorina and Tyvek haven't build the Bombers who were in their Buildqueues ? [18:47] <@Bootstoots> alright, finally, I'm connected [18:47] *** fiercanadien has quit IRC (Quit: have some math homework to do) [18:48] <+RikMeleet> 4Bootstoots: How come Gorina and Tyvek haven't build the Bombers who were in their Buildqueues ? [18:49] <@Bootstoots> am I alive? [18:49] <+RikMeleet> yes, and I am waiting for an answer. [18:50] <+peri> my question is: where is that bb going near bootia? [18:52] <@CivGeneral> (boots) Can you hear me now? [18:52] <@Bootstoots> damn it, I missed those cities [18:52] <@CivGeneral> Good [18:52] *** Fionn696_ (~DsPro2@3155232f.3a15f1cd.da.qwest.net) 4[joined] #demogame. [18:52] *** Mafioso 4[ops] Fionn696_ [18:52] *** CivGeneral 4[voices] [18:52] <@CivGeneral> FIONN!!!! [18:52] <@Fionn696_> 12° I got the Powwa stick! 12° [18:52] <@Fionn696_> 3°   3° [18:52] <@Fionn696_> whts the point in voicing me if im an op? lol [18:53] <@Bootstoots> to the canal...sorry if I violated that instruction but there is no danger to them except for the Aztect [18:53] <@Bootstoots> *Aztecs [18:53] <@Bootstoots> and they aren't at war with us [18:53] <+RikMeleet> Boots: Make sure you have 4 bombers ASAP ! [18:54] <+peri> no i was just asking [18:54] <@Bootstoots> so there is no reason to suspect that they are in any danger [18:54] <@Bootstoots> I can now [18:54] <+peri> but what is its ultimate destination? [18:54] <@Bootstoots> alright, when do I get my PI? [18:54] <+peri> is it just going to sit in the channel? [18:54] <@Fionn696_> what i miss? [18:55] <+RikMeleet> 12I also instructed to redistribute laborers when pollution was cleaned. You didn't do this with Gorina. [18:55] <+peri> nothing yet [18:55] <@Fionn696_> i heard PI tho [18:56] <+peri> boots was just joking [18:56] <@Fionn696_> ah ok [18:56] <+RikMeleet> I am considering it. I am angry over this instruction-breaking (although it was unintentional) [18:56] <+peri> dont be angry rik it was an honest mistake [18:57] <+peri> and it is fixed now [18:57] <@Fionn696_> first game hes DP'd in the DG give him a break [18:57] <+RikMeleet> Ok. Bootstoots please pay attention to the instructions. [18:58] <@Bootstoots> [17:56] no i was just asking [18:58] <@Bootstoots> it's going to the canal in the south [18:58] <+peri> but what will you do if the aztecs ask it to be moved? [18:58] <@Bootstoots> where it will be brought up slowly for use against Babylonian ships that may come near [18:58] <@Bootstoots> stopping at the cities as instructed [18:59] <@CivGeneral> Who said Pie? [18:59] <+peri> thats fine [18:59] <@Bootstoots> hmmm...at this rate I'll be impeached within a week. I hope you forgive me for these blunders, RM...I've never DP'd before and I'm going to get the hang of it soon [19:00] <@CivGeneral> o_O [19:00] <+peri> my only instruction regarding the ships is not to leave them at sea between turns [19:00] * @CivGeneral hates to Procecute Boots [19:00] <+peri> so i am happy boots [19:00] <+RikMeleet> Bootstoots: how are you going to build the 2 forgotten bombers ? [19:00] <+peri> we can melt down a couple of tanks [19:01] <+RikMeleet> Or Legions ? [19:01] <@Bootstoots> within the next two turns in Gorina and Tyvek [19:01] <+RikMeleet> Ok Boots. [19:02] <@Bootstoots> alright, back on course [19:02] *** Fionn696_ has 4[morphed] into "Fionn696_-Away" [19:02] * @Fionn696_-Away has left the Chat. Reason: [eating chicken] Pager: ON [19:02] <@Bootstoots> there is a battleship near the German fleet as well [19:03] <@Bootstoots> it's 2/3 though [19:03] <+peri> did you miss my plan boots? [19:03] <@CivGeneral> Ohh the Germans!!! [19:03] <+RikMeleet> Bootstoots: I repeat another forgotten/neglected Domestic instruction: Clean up pollution and as soon as pollution is cleaned, check the cities in which radius the pollution was for optimum laborer placement (according to that Governor's instructions). [19:03] <@Bootstoots> [18:03] Bootstoots: I repeat another forgotten/neglected Domestic instruction: Clean up pollution and as soon as pollution is cleaned, check the cities in which radius the pollution was for optimum laborer placement (according to that Governor's instructions). [19:03] <@Bootstoots> I did that in Memphis [19:03] <@Bootstoots> and it was irrelevent in another city [19:03] <+RikMeleet> Yes. But you forgot Gorina [19:04] <@Bootstoots> it appears I did [19:04] <@Bootstoots> and that has been corrected [19:04] <+RikMeleet> You're forgiven. Please don't make me have to forgive you again. [19:04] <+peri> boots we can use our arty to bomb the ger ships [19:04] <@CivGeneral> BBL Dinner [19:04] <+peri> and mop up with thatt bb in giza [19:05] * +RikMeleet will be silent during the military instructions from Peri. [19:05] <@Bootstoots> ok, should I go for a destroyer or an ironclad? [19:06] <+peri> huh? [19:06] <@Bootstoots> from the German fleet? with the battleship this turn? [19:06] <@Bootstoots> or should I bombard them and not fight this turn? [19:06] <+peri> no use the arty to redline them [19:07] <@Bootstoots> ok [19:07] <+peri> then use bb when they are down to 1 [19:07] *** static (nobody@adsl463.lqd.adsl.inernode.on.net) 4[joined] #demogame. [19:07] *** CivGeneral 4[voices] [19:07] <@Bootstoots> ok [19:07] <@Bootstoots> should I bring in more arty to attack them? [19:08] <+peri> use all 20 [19:08] <+peri> well until the job is done [19:08] <@Bootstoots> ok [19:08] *** static (nobody@adsl463.lqd.adsl.inernode.on.net) 4[left] #demogame. [19:08] <+RikMeleet> There are 2 fortified Arts in heliopolis [19:10] <+peri> as long as they all get put back that is ok [19:10] <@Bootstoots> ok [19:12] <@Bootstoots> Peri, is it ok if I send a battleship to the square right next to Go Home Xerxes in route to Persian Landing? [19:13] <+peri> wont it go the distance then? [19:14] <@Bootstoots> btw, every ship within artillery range has been redlined, however there are still four ironclads that are outside that range [19:15] <+peri> well as long as we can sink a ship and return to port then i am happy in the same turn [19:15] <+peri> boots i dont mind what you do as long as you dont lose any ships [19:15] <+peri> they are very expensive [19:17] <@Bootstoots> ok, moving the battleship [19:18] <+peri> as an update to the mil instructions can all bombers be based at Persian landing please [19:18] <+peri> for use in bombing that island at your discretion [19:20] <@Bootstoots> ok [19:20] <@Bootstoots> well, I've already done that ;) [19:21] <+peri> great [19:21] <+peri> ill but out [19:21] <+peri> lol [19:21] <@Bootstoots> lol [19:22] <@Bootstoots> scratch one Ironclad, our battleship in Giza is now a veteran [19:22] <+RikMeleet> ok [19:22] <+peri> yaay [19:24] <@Bootstoots> some pollution cleaned, laborers redistributed [19:27] <+Inter32> I'm back [19:27] *** Fionn696_-Away has 4[morphed] into "Fionn696_" [19:27] * @Fionn696_ has Returned (Been gone 24mins 43secs) [19:27] <+Inter32> what happened so far? [19:27] <@Bootstoots> Peri, just curious, why are all the units being sent to Regia? [19:27] <+RikMeleet> ok boots [19:29] <+peri> just to keep themtogether [19:29] <+peri> no other reason [19:29] <+peri> i f we go a invading i want to know what we have [19:30] *** Bootstoots has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [19:34] *** Bootstoots (~bootstoot@Stick.Man.Censorer) 4[joined] #demogame. [19:34] *** Mafioso 4[ops] Bootstoots [19:34] <+peri> whats happened [19:34] *** CivGeneral 4[voices] [19:34] <+peri> ahh [19:34] <@CivGeneral> Im back [19:36] <+Inter32> g2g bye and happy civing boots :D [19:37] <@CivGeneral> lol [19:37] *** Inter32 (avisinoni@35474391.3974cd3.3155232f.1e706c24X) 4[left] #demogame. [19:38] *** Bootstoots1 (~jirc@9b184f5.1908d3ef.clvhoh.adelphia.net) 4[joined] #demogame. [19:38] *** CivGeneral 4[voices] [19:38] <+Bootstoots1> that's very strange [19:39] <@CivGeneral> Im back [19:39] *** plexus (~plexust@3ae158ff.38050f2d.vnnyca.adelphia.net) 4[joined] #demogame. [19:39] *** Mafioso 4[voices] [19:39] <+Bootstoots1> I'm officially on this channel but I can't even see it on mIRC, I'm lagging so badly [19:39] <@Fionn696_> yikes [19:39] *** Bootstoots has quit IRC (Quit: let's end the lag now) [19:39] *** plexus (~plexust@3ae158ff.38050f2d.vnnyca.adelphia.net) 4[left] #demogame. [19:40] *** Bootstoots1 has 4[morphed] into "Bootstoots" [19:40] <+Bootstoots> op me please ;) [19:40] <@CivGeneral> Say the magic word ;) [19:40] *** CivGeneral 4[ops] Bootstoots [19:40] <@Bootstoots> ok, now I believe I'm done with turn 1 [19:41] <@Bootstoots> hitting the button unless there are any objections [19:41] <@CivGeneral> WOW!!! [19:41] *** peri has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [19:41] <@CivGeneral> YAY!!!!! BOOTS DID A TURN!! YAY!!! [19:41] <@Fionn696_> Turn 1?!?! [19:41] *** Bootstoots has 4[morphed] into "Guest4889159" [19:41] <@Fionn696_> holy cow [19:41] <@Guest4889159> wait a minute, we are now slightly in the negative, do you want me to pull back to 70% science, Rik? [19:41] *** Guest4889159 has 4[morphed] into "Bootstoots" [19:41] <@CivGeneral> IVE GOT MAIL!!! IVE GOT MAIL!!! YAY!!!! [19:42] <+RikMeleet> If that will not reduce research time; yes [19:43] <@Bootstoots> it will reduce it one turn; I assume I should stay with 80%, as we are only -2 gpt [19:43] <@Bootstoots> any other instructions before I hit the button? [19:44] <+RikMeleet> 80% please [19:45] <@Bootstoots> ok, we're there [19:45] <@Bootstoots> hitting the button [19:46] <@Bootstoots> ok, a bunch of things have just happened [19:46] <+RikMeleet> what ? [19:46] <@Bootstoots> Babylon has bombed the area around Persian Landing [19:46] <@Bootstoots> they also have a battleship sailing toward Coneland [19:47] <@Bootstoots> additionally, a transport and an escort are approaching our shores from Babylon [19:47] <@Bootstoots> they sailed around Coneland [19:47] <@Bootstoots> and, China declared war on us in an MA and we have lost our supply of Furs [19:48] *** SaaM (~jirc@12a06a62.22d996b6.nyc.rr.com) 4[joined] #demogame. [19:48] *** CivGeneral 4[voices] [19:48] <+SaaM> thank you [19:48] <+SaaM> what turn are we on? [19:48] <+RikMeleet> That is bad ! [19:48] <+SaaM> are we playing? [19:49] <+RikMeleet> yes SaaM [19:49] <+SaaM> what turn? [19:50] <+RikMeleet> 2 i think [19:51] <@CivGeneral> YAY!!! BOOTS DID A #2!! [19:51] <+SaaM> thought it started at 3... [19:53] *** Bootstoots1 (~jirc@9b184f5.1908d3ef.clvhoh.adelphia.net) 4[joined] #demogame. [19:53] *** CivGeneral 4[voices] [19:53] *** Bootstoots has quit IRC (SVSKilled: GHOST command used by Bootstoots1) [19:53] *** Bootstoots1 has 4[morphed] into "Bootstoots" [19:53] <+Bootstoots> ok, about a quarter of our cities are in disorder because of the loss of Furs from China [19:54] <+Bootstoots> Germany is sending over a galley and a transport with escorts [19:54] <+Bootstoots> we are running -100 gpt [19:55] <+Bootstoots> probably because of the loss of Chinese trade [19:55] <+RikMeleet> oops [19:55] <@Fionn696_> holy cow [19:55] <@Fionn696_> what a lot of money to lose [19:55] <+Bootstoots> should I stop the chat? [19:56] <+RikMeleet> Perhaps. We need to consider MA's to stop the MA's against us. [19:56] <@Fionn696_> i would since war was declared [19:56] <+Bootstoots> yeah [19:57] <+RikMeleet> I need to see the save to make proper slider / entertainer decisions. [19:57] <+Bootstoots> and since Germany and Babylon are now about to invade us...it won't likely be much of an invasion but it's something [19:57] <+RikMeleet> The invasion is irrelevant. [19:57] <+Bootstoots> and we're going to be getting bombarded all over by ships and planes [19:58] <@Fionn696_> they wanna stop us from winning the space race [19:58] <+Bootstoots> they don't know about that yet ;) [19:58] <+Bootstoots> saving the turn, and will upload [19:58] <+Bootstoots> this chat is over [19:58] *** SaaM has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [19:58] <+RikMeleet> OK, thank you Boots. [19:59] <@Fionn696_> plus we must be number 1on the histograph, since they all are attacking us [20:01] <+Bootstoots> we are and have been for some time ;) [20:02] <@Fionn696_> thats why we are a target [20:02] <@Fionn696_> they wanna knock us off [20:09] <+Bootstoots> turnchat summary posted [20:09] <+Bootstoots> with the saves [20:11] <+Bootstoots> (CG) please post the chat log ;) [20:12] <@CivGeneral> k End of #Demogame buffer Fri Oct 03 20:12:29 2003