[21:03] well, I am getting started [21:04] did you two vote in the Monarchy poll? [21:04] i think i did [21:05] It is tied 3-3 after 2 days..pathetic [21:05] i did... No... dont want an extra set of revolt between that and repub [21:06] but... you get the fun job of interpreting the WotP [21:07] No, I didn't vote in that. Haven't been able to look at the save so I didn't consider myself qualified to influence the matter either way. [21:07] oo! lets interptret a 3/3 vote! that'll be fun! [21:08] there wouldnt be another revolt [21:08] we would go striaght to Monarchy [21:09] then to Democracy [21:09] this way we don't have to research Republic at all [21:09] I didn't vote yet, because I don't feel we can switch until after we start taking care of Memphis [21:09] we can build a lead or keep pace with techs [21:10] unless someone can convince me going into anarchy won't effect memphis [21:10] so let's cancel the chat again........this war has done nothing but cause trouble [21:10] nothing but stifle progress [21:11] lets fight to keep a city we shouldnt have gone after in the first place [21:11] lets risk all of our legions to keep this one city [21:12] * Falcon02 thinks DZ's getting frustrated [21:12] Why do you even bother to elect a leader when his opinion is of no value? [21:12] * Stuck_as_a_Mac agrees with DZ.. [21:12] This could have been stopped long ago....... [21:12] what? the taking or the revolting? [21:13] the whole mess...way back in the day, I spoke until I was blue in that face about ending this war [21:13] nobody listened [21:13] we listened we just disagreed [21:13] i wanted peace too.. i tried to get that [21:14] *** Stuck_as_a_Mac (~jirc@de6498d.296d6466.dyn.optonline.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:14] and now see what happened....once again, what is my opinion worth? [21:14] ARG!!!! [21:15] we rattled our sabres into this mess and now we want to use more resources to hold on tight to our meager gains [21:15] let's turn it around [21:15] by risking 10 legions???? [21:15] not on my watch [21:15] I do hope you're not planning to rant for the entire projected length of the cancelled turnchat? ;) [21:15] I said let's go and Raze Thebes first, but did anyone listen to me NOO, and now we're spending all this precious time trying to keep Memphis instead of having it secure like it WOULD have been [21:15] NOT BY RISKING 10 LEGIONS [21:15] I dunno..I do have a few hours free [21:16] oh bugger [21:16] ;) [21:16] that was 6-7 turns away, Falcon [21:16] By risking 3 legions until we have enough legions in the area to ensure no flips [21:16] we would STILL be going after Thebes, alowing ourselves to be sitting ducks in the process [21:16] actually IIRC more like 4, but I understand [21:16] :D [21:16] at the same time then we could have quickly responded to a memphis flip by taking out the 1 spear which would be in there [21:17] It was 6.the units 4 tiles away were all wounded [21:17] 2/5 [21:17] 2/4 [21:17] 2/3 [21:17] now if Memphis flips we can't take it back, cause we're not at war [21:17] we have to fall back [21:18] a flip during war is less costly then a flip during an active treaty [21:18] who cares? lets use our geographical defense of the hills to define our borders [21:18] WE DO NOT NEED MEMPHIS [21:18] Unfortunately we already have it [21:18] :D yes, we do [21:19] that is why I say abandon it, rather than risk 10 possible defenders of our natural borders [21:19] don't need to risk that many [21:19] DZ, we many not "NEED" Memphis. But heaven help me if I ALLOW us to unintentionally lose ANY city, even if that city produces 100 sheilds 99 of which are corrupt [21:20] I have no problem if we abandon [21:20] exactly, I dont want it to flip either [21:20] I have, I don't want us to get a rep hit to no genuine advantage [21:20] I'd prefer to hold on to it if we can, but abandoning Memphis is fine with me, it does have the least ?-marks [21:20] everyone already hates us, Ek [21:21] no reason to make them hate us more [21:21] I get the joy of opening the FA screen to find everyone glaring at me [21:21] Ekl, if things go as we plan we can just wipe 'em out later anyway [21:21] lol [21:21] I wonder if that has anything to do with this protracted war? [21:22] DZ they're just studying your Dashing good looks..... [21:22] with a rather annoyed look on their face.... yeah that's it... [21:22] it has to do with us autorazing previously, I expect [21:22] I was wondering where you wer going with that ..... ;) [21:23] another reason we should have taken El Amarna for peace when we had the chance [21:23] and while we can't undo that, I don't see that razing another city can do anything but exacerbate the problem [21:23] Ekl, are you sure Abandoning cities count as "razing"? [21:23] we are abandoning our own city, not razing it. Will that cause a rep hit? [21:24] abandoning a city where the majority of the population are foreign citizens counts as razing [21:24] what about pop rushing a city with foreign citizens? [21:25] nope [21:25] doesnt count? [21:25] that's fine, provided you can deal with the unhappiness issues [21:25] unhappiness in all of Fanatica? [21:25] or just Memphis? [21:25] unhappiness in that city [21:26] phhhft.......no problem! [21:26] actually... do you happen to have the save open? [21:26] yes [21:27] of course! I [was] planning on playing, remember? : D [21:27] how many turns would you say we'd have to wait for Memphis to grow by one point? [21:27] lemme see [21:27] 10 turns [21:27] since for some reason I can't seem to get your zip file to work :s [21:27] it is size 3 right now [21:28] :-/ only way out I see out of a rep hit and abandoning quickly is pop-rush and place a native worker or two in there then abandon [21:28] hmm... just trying to remember how much spare pop you need to be able to rush a temple practically from scratch... [21:28] and that makes no sence to me [21:28] two wasted workers [21:29] we dont even have any workers nearby Falc [21:29] even more fuel to the argument against it [21:29] so it seems either try to keep it, or get a rep hit [21:30] since we don't appear to be going anywhere fast at the moment, mind if I go test something out? [21:30] I really don't want to risk more of our men, Falcon. I hope you can understand that [21:30] sure, Ek [21:30] ok, brb [21:30] Ekl of course [21:31] 3 is the most I'm willing to "risk" on Memphis until we can ensure our Garrison will ELIMINATE the chance to flip [21:32] Then again, if we do that we will have 8-10 units inside Memphis and less to line our borders [21:35] by Ekl's Calc's the Minimum was 7 (1 pop and with temple) [21:35] having 7-10 units that can't be moved from a city is almost as bad as losing them altogether. [21:36] not when that city is the most likely point for the enemy to attack, unless we're planning another offensive VERY soon [21:36] by the way I'm not really back yet [21:36] :mischief: [21:37] no, we are not..at least for another 3 days :D [21:39] As a matter of fact, I am officially making this the las turnchat of Term 2