Session Start: Tue Nov 26 03:59:37 2002 Session Ident: #demogame [03:59] * Now talking in #demogame [03:59] * Topic is 'Civfanatics.com: Civ3 Game of Democracy Chatroom. Forum is at http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=78 12Next turn chat Tuesday, November 26th, at the ungodly hour of 4:00am EST! - Because of possible culture flipping, would keeping the cities to size 1 (i.e., by "starving") be possible, since the chance for CF goes down if you have more troops than popsize ' [03:59] * Set by Chieftess on Tue Nov 26 00:37:21 [03:59] * ChanServ sets mode: +v ShaitanInDisguise [03:59] there he is [03:59] whew [03:59] * ChanServ sets mode: +o ShaitanInDisguise [03:59] Howdy all! [04:00] hey [04:00] thought i was gonna have to dp again [04:00] Sleeeep... [04:00] I need an intravenous caffeine drip... -_- [04:00] what time do you have Veera? [04:00] Sike - The Kuhkaff tile change doesn't help yet. Slows growth but the build is still 3 turns. [04:00] 3 AM [04:00] you got pepsi, just hook up the iv :D [04:01] true, Shaitan, but it will help later [04:01] hey shaitan are you running for pres this coming up term? [04:01] Okay if I hold off until the build is complete? [04:01] hold on [04:01] Fionn - I'm not sure. It will depend how the beginning of the war goes today. [04:02] is that what everyone else is waiting on? [04:03] why do you want to wait Shaitan? [04:03] the production doesn't change [04:03] if it goes bad he can get it while its good :D [04:03] It's an extra 6 food if we wait. [04:03] oh i thought cyc meant something else [04:03] Alliance with the English against the Egyptians - we recieve 81 gold and their world map. [04:03] Alliance with the Russians against the Japanese - we recieve 14 gold and thier world map [04:03] Alliance with the Iroquois against the Japanese - we pay 311 gold [04:03] Alliance with the Indians against the Japanese - we pay 56 gold [04:03] I worried about rioting before we pop out a Settler [04:04] We've got 3 happy and only 2 sad there. Should be in fine shape. [04:04] why are they sad? [04:05] 100% - It's way too crowded. [04:05] are you going to build the horse? [04:05] ahh [04:06] What horse, cyc? [04:06] go ahead and wait [04:06] okee dokee [04:06] n/m about the horse [04:06] Queues set according to instruction. [04:06] Octavian put it in the auto-queue [04:06] Aztecs are told to leave and they do. [04:07] India is polite now. They just needed a common enemy to become friends. ;) [04:07] who's logging? [04:07] I've got a log going. [04:07] k [04:08] City instructions complete, now moving units per military. [04:09] k [04:10] can you verbalize? [04:11] I'm only at 1 am, Veera. hang in there. [04:11] Moved 2 horses towards iron. [04:11] Moved 1 vet sword towards Izumo [04:12] Moved remainder of swords towards Saporo [04:12] 1 horse and 2 vet swords had already moved this turn so couldn't comply with instructions immediately [04:12] k, i was wondering... [04:12] i didnt even notice [04:13] Another American settler/spear pair out of Miami. [04:13] shoot to kill [04:13] i got a feeling that if we beat japan to a pulp america is next on the list [04:13] Saving turn 0 [04:14] Who wants it? [04:14] the turn? [04:14] leaving already ;-) [04:14] did you check for hidden .sav? [04:14] I'll take it [04:14] I'm paying attention, just don't have anything to say right now... [04:15] Typing unnecessarily takes valuable energy ~_^ [04:15] mark this day on the calendar... [04:15] :) [04:15] why? [04:15] sending now [04:15] Fionn - I can't upload from this PC so I DCC the file to somebody to upload. [04:16] email it to me Shaitan [04:16] aside from it being my birthday :) [04:16] ahh ok [04:16] such a nice pc [04:16] Happy b-day Fionn [04:16] thanks [04:17] cyc - need email again [04:17] no i don't [04:17] file's on the way [04:17] put it in your address book [04:17] ok [04:17] Just found it there. ;) [04:19] End of turn 0 - 50ad, 941g, +39, 9/0/1, Eng in 13 [04:19] k [04:19] k [04:20] Aight [04:20] American settler heads back to miami [04:20] email recieved [04:20] english are cruising through our territory [04:20] good [04:20] more english coming into the territory - archer and horse [04:21] The people admire me so much they offer to expand my palace! [04:21] take out that egyptian city [04:21] sweet [04:21] ugly looking palace style here we come [04:21] Ew...what a hovel. I think I'll work on the grounds a little bit. At least it'll be nice for a picnic then. [04:21] i do that too [04:21] Romans are building sun tzu [04:22] Greeks are building sistine [04:22] Indian warrior moved into our territory. Going after Japan. [04:23] Assigning worker tasks [04:24] We've got two horses way down south. Sending those to the front. [04:25] those you should use to take out that egyptian city, I think [04:25] i agree [04:26] Won't make it. It's all jungle territory and there are loads of others between us and them. [04:26] Captured 2 workers north of saporo [04:26] Cutting off iron at soporo [04:27] Yelling at Monty. He leaves again [04:27] their other source of iron is deep in there territory [04:27] Doesn't look like we have a choice in getting Sistine, unless we take it :-/ [04:27] k [04:27] us building a wonder isnt the best of ideas at this level unless we get a gl [04:28] True 'dat [04:28] New Falcon's Nest is really pumping production, considering how far it is from the cap [04:28] i noticed that too [04:28] Ready to attack soporo! :) [04:29] First elite sword is victorious. [04:29] hope we get a great leader [04:29] next one... [04:29] cool [04:30] Second elite sword takes the city. Both took 2 bars damage in their battles. [04:30] * Guest19019 has joined #demogame [04:30] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Guest19019 [04:30] woo hoo [04:30] * Guest19019 is now known as Lecky [04:30] alright [04:30] 4 resisters in what is soon not to be known as sapporo. Can somebody please check what the next city name in queue is? [04:30] welcome lecky [04:31] hi [04:31] cartographic area? [04:31] thread i mean [04:31] i'm looking [04:32] im trying to [04:32] dunno what thread it is lol [04:32] Naerva can hurry its library for under 100g. 96 to be precise. Saves 12 turns and America has finished hooking up the iron for us. Thoughts? [04:32] There's a link to the thread in the chat turn instruction thread. [04:32] rush it [04:33] do the same for padmativa as well if we got the gold [04:33] Aye, I'd rush it [04:33] what's the bank? [04:33] bank is at 980 right now [04:33] 941 G [04:33] Oh, 980 ;-) [04:34] looks like im next in line to name a city [04:34] we can afford it [04:34] yes, Kells [04:34] and i was hoping the city would be in my province [04:34] Padmativa would be 60g to gain 15 turns on its pikeman [04:35] sopporo now named Kells [04:35] how much gold per turn are we making? [04:35] i think we should switch the pike to library [04:35] Rushing library in naerva - 96g [04:35] Fionn - what do you say to switching padmativa to a library and rushing it? [04:36] so we can get culture in it now [04:36] padmativa should get itspike rushed [04:36] Rush would be 100g [04:36] i got a feeling america will culture rush it [04:36] Rush for pike is 60 [04:36] needs defense first i think [04:36] either way we need to build a library or temple soon [04:36] rush the pike [04:36] I'm siding with cyc. Pike first and come back for the library [04:37] Rushing pike - 60g [04:37] i gotta try for cultures sake :D [04:37] End of turn 1 - 70ad, 824g, +42, 9/0/1, eng in 12 [04:38] Cyc - No "K"? ;) [04:38] k [04:38] k [04:38] :) [04:38] hitin' the button... [04:39] Japanese warriors moving north towards kells [04:39] if my city gets taken... [04:39] Indian warrior heading cross country [04:40] Not too worried about a pair of warriors, fionn [04:40] you be surprised [04:40] brits traipsing about as if they owned the place [04:40] i never underestimate the japs [04:40] aztecs again enter our territory [04:40] kick them out [04:40] I really don't like them [04:40] i think we shoulda finished them off [04:40] We have mastered Theology! Woo Library! [04:41] Valhalla completes settler. Next is pike [04:41] Tlaxcala finishes pike. next is horse [04:41] do we know where that settler is going? [04:41] Bremershaven has completed horse, next is horse [04:41] New Falcon completed library next is barracks [04:42] Our troops have quelled 2 resisters (Kells) and the city is rioting. [04:42] Entertainers employed [04:42] Padmativa completes pike, next is library [04:43] entertainers a rioting cities best friend :) [04:43] naerva completes library, next is granary [04:43] pre-turn save is up [04:44] Settler heads for spot "L" per instructions. [04:45] I will defer to Plexus. His city name is Plexenburg [04:45] talk about ICS [04:46] It'll be a while before it gets there. Other side of the country [04:46] * Eklektikos has joined #demogame [04:46] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Eklektikos [04:46] I'm holding to regroup in Kells, supress the rebels, etc, while force against izumo gets in position [04:46] we were 824g, +42 - how is the treasury now? [04:47] Nuts. baby alert. back in 5 or so [04:47] Kells? [04:47] ya we took sapporo [04:47] sapporo [04:47] renamed it Kellls [04:47] Kells [04:47] we're turning the Japs into the Celts? [04:47] no i am :) [04:47] :) [04:47] * disorganizer_atwork has joined #demogame [04:47] * ChanServ sets mode: +v disorganizer_atwork [04:47] * ChanServ sets mode: +o disorganizer_atwork [04:47] fair enough :D [04:48] didnt any notice that taliesin and morgana werent germanic [04:48] *anyone [04:48] I did [04:48] I noticed a celtic influence where Morgana was concerned [04:48] and my av has part of the celtic cross in it [04:49] didn't twig about Taliesin though [04:49] wow. and i thought those chat-times are awful :-P [04:49] by the way i did taliesin's flag [04:49] didn't see that [04:49] same with stucks coat of arms and his flag. flags are soo easier to make [04:49] brb [04:53] back [04:53] hey veera, you still awake? [04:53] :) [04:53] wb [04:53] Yeah, I'm here... [04:53] As I said though, I'm not really going to post much [04:54] just checking [04:54] Tlaxcala pike moves towards the front [04:54] yelling at monty. he leaves. [04:54] i dont think he gets the idea [04:54] Monty is getting stubborn [04:54] bremers horse takes the pike towards Falcon [04:55] That's Pike the road there. don't mean to confuse. ;) [04:55] heh [04:55] too late [04:55] movement complete. checking cities [04:55] :) [04:55] Bavaria now producing a perfect 10 [04:56] hows morgana? [04:57] Caffeine rush gone [04:57] * Veera collapses [04:57] Sorry guys, I need to get to bed now... Talk to ya'll tomorrow [04:57] Morgana producing 4, growth in 18 [04:57] night [04:57] lightweight ;-) [04:57] sike listens to a deflating sound... [04:57] g'night Veera [04:58] G'night [04:58] did you move the citizens to the ocean? [04:58] * Veera has left #demogame [04:58] night [04:58] or sea tiles [04:58] whichever [04:59] Moved one last turn. Moving the other now. Growth in 9, pike complete in 1 [04:59] ok good [04:59] k [04:59] keep moving them [04:59] well guys if i dont go to sleep now, i wont be much of anything on my birthday today [04:59] have fun [05:00] ok, g'night and happy birthday :-) [05:00] thanks cya guys night [05:00] * Fionn696_ has left #demogame [05:02] naerva caught the iron! [05:02] cool [05:02] yeehah [05:02] :) [05:03] And the Americans are still mining it. hehehe [05:03] gold well placed [05:04] tiles complete [05:04] Checking trade possibilities... [05:06] Iroquois - Theology for WM + 176g. Everybody else is broke except Persia and we don't have anything they want. [05:07] Most others already have theology [05:07] I say go for it. Thoughts? [05:07] I guess we do the trade [05:07] we need a possible wonder [05:07] for a future gl [05:08] Making the trade... [05:08] Hiawatha is polite. :) [05:09] :) [05:09] Ending turn 2 - 1042g, +39, 9/0/1, eng in 11 [05:11] Americans settled in our backyard :( [05:11] by L? [05:11] Morgana completes pike. next is horse [05:11] A couple tiles from L [05:11] bummer [05:11] Kuhkaff finishes pike, next is settler [05:12] civil disorder in Kells [05:12] Amer building sun tzu [05:12] where will you send first settler then? [05:12] More entertainers hired in Kells [05:12] Will still settle L to close that gap [05:13] k [05:13] bowman coming up from izumo threatening our workers. attacking with vet sword [05:13] k [05:14] lets think about rushing culture in new L city when founded [05:14] victory. wounded 2 bars [05:14] excellent [05:14] Amer city is Cleveland [05:14] clevland rocks [05:14] one tile west then one southwest of L [05:15] which Amer city is building SunTsu? [05:15] Yelling at Monty. he leaves [05:15] Cincinnati is building sun tzy [05:15] tzu [05:16] Babylonian bowman/settler next to Satsuma [05:16] uh-oh [05:16] japan is caving? [05:17] * Eklektikos has quit IRC (Connection Closed ) [05:17] * Eklektikos has joined #demogame [05:17] wb [05:17] We need to ally with Babs so Japs will kill that settler. It's coming towards our territory. [05:17] Babs will ally for 130g [05:17] I agree [05:18] do it [05:18] Or they'll ally and give us WM + 37g for Theology [05:18] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Eklektikos [05:18] phew [05:18] Which deal is prefered? [05:18] that sounds better [05:19] 2nd deal sounds better to me [05:19] straight gold [05:19] EK? [05:19] no techs [05:19] straight gold [05:19] straight gold it is. making the deal now... [05:19] dont most other have theology anyway? [05:19] Babylon declares war on the Japs. [05:20] good [05:20] Will now see how much I can get to sell them Theo. ;) [05:20] Hammurabi the Polite will now give us WM and 167g for Theo. [05:20] yer terrible shaitan [05:21] :) [05:21] All but the destitute (France and a couple others) have theo already [05:21] anybody against the trade? [05:21] OK OK do it! [05:21] Making the trade... [05:22] who else can we entice to declare v. Japan? [05:22] Daisy-chaining pikes in the North Province... [05:23] if the galley is gone it doesn't matter [05:23] should have been done pre-turn [05:24] did you see which way it went? [05:25] America will ally v.Jap for Theology or 450g [05:25] no thanks [05:26] not really an advantage for us [05:26] 1 north of gunningheim and one off the naerva coast [05:26] really [05:26] ok [05:26] if they haven't unloaded, they must be empty [05:26] whadda ya think? [05:27] Can't hurt to get another pike in the area. Will need it up there anyway when the settler is complete [05:28] are you sending the Settler to "B"? [05:29] Yup. B is next target [05:29] doing tiles now [05:29] k [05:31] padmativa library would be 156 now [05:31] it expanded already? [05:31] or not? [05:32] padmativa? no - that's where we rushed the pike. now working on library [05:32] tiles are done [05:33] what's the bank? [05:33] 1118g now [05:33] rush it [05:33] i agree. any dissenters? [05:33] lets look at other rushing possibilities first [05:33] okee dokee... [05:34] gunningheim - library, 100g, 9 turns [05:34] Padmativa - library, 156g, 20 turns [05:35] Octavinium - library, 76g, 7 turns [05:35] That would be good too [05:35] that's all the culture rushes up at the moment [05:35] remind me where padamitiva is exactly? [05:35] NE [05:35] on the border with Amer [05:35] SE [05:35] on gold hills [05:36] Padmativa looks the most likely [05:36] Padmativa sounds good to me then [05:36] we could do all three [05:36] all 3 = c. 325 [05:37] one sec, let me check the map [05:37] that's good for me [05:37] All three are possible. This would leave enough gold for all knight upgrades and we get enough gold per turn to cover the ones in queue. [05:37] still about 40gpt? [05:37] It would really help solidify our borders, too. [05:37] yes - 40g/t [05:38] go all 3 [05:38] I vote for all 3 [05:38] cool, I vote = YES [05:38] Rushing the libraries... [05:39] :) - an important decision, I think there will be a great benefit in the long term [05:39] Ending t3 - 110ad, 786g, +40, 9/0/1, Eng in 10 [05:39] k [05:40] jap galleys continue cruising around coast clockwise [05:40] hmmm [05:40] 1 jap warrior retreated away from Kells. The other just exited the mountains to sit on the wide open grass for us. [05:41] the jap galleys are behaving like settler carriers [05:41] yeah, could be [05:41] Abe wants to trade World Maps. Let's see what he's willing to add to the pot... [05:42] All his money (12g). I'll go for it. It's good to keep relations strong with these guys (for now!) [05:42] naww [05:42] well ok [05:42] not even 1gpt? [05:43] 3 more brit horses moving in. [05:43] wounded Bab bowman and settler still making their way across Japan [05:43] Aztecs in our territory again. [05:43] Bavaria finishes horse, next is horse [05:44] Octavinium finishes library. next is barracks [05:44] Order restored in Kells! [05:44] Burrow finishes pike. next is horse [05:44] padma finishes library. next is horse [05:44]